Subj: Re: Fwd: White Mtn reputed to be an underground ALIEN base (reptilian)! Date: 8/3/99 3:35:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: angelbooks@cybertrails.com (emanon) I'm including my comments to another correspondent on what I feel are the REAL reasons for planning a limited evacuation and the subsequent containment of the residents left behind. also, in this case the "white flags" aren't for any reason other than a quick look so troops won't be wasting time (or ammunition) on those places. The resident's places obviously won't be used for "short term housing" unless it becomes absolutlely necessary. Text of note to another: >>Checked out your underground empire file - that's the first thing I've seen on the web about something an acquaintance of mine told me about 15 years ago. Seems an old high school friend of his was on the Nautilus when it made the "polar" run. They met up in the 70's and the submariner told him that "we never found anything like the pole - just finally reported a position as 90 degrees norht and went on down the pacific coast. we were sitting about 30 miles off the coast of california and received orders to go to a certain depth and proceed due east. we went about 400 miles before turning around to go back". i've known about the Long Beach "oil dome problem" since i was a kid there in the 50's - 60's. and finally there was an old story about the underground river going underneath the mojave desert from nevada all the way out under the mountains surrounding Los Angeles and Orange Counties. it runs under Kokoweef Mtn (just off i-15 about 60 miles east of the CA/NV border) and is apparently the old mojave river. a friend of mine owns a claim on kokoweef and took me out there in the mid 70's. stories about the place basically support the idea that there is a huge underground complex with rivers running through them - probably ancient rivers from the rockies to the east. if there are large underground rivers just below the surface, there's every reason to believe there are larger systems deeper still. people are trying to analyze why phoenix elite would be evacuated to the white mtns and the bridges blown to prevent further escape, saying that destroying the transportation corridors wouldn't make any sense - they apparently don't take this info into account. i have a feeling that if any large chunks of calif start falling into the underground caverns, it'll be like dominos - one chunk, then the next, then the next, etc. it may not happen all at once, but the panic will be so great as people find out about what's going on, that there will be a mass exodus into the higher ground areas as it dawns on them. can't control the overland routes easily, but you can slow down the lemmings traveling the roads . . . rock and roll! -Dirk >> P.S. The underground empire files are at: http://idt.net/~chrisw2/ P.P.S. My own experience in assisting the central management director of the Indian Nations Development Project and traveling around the country to various nations leads me to believe that the nations have basically factionalized into pro/con BIA groups. The traditionals don't go along with much of what the feds say or do. I think most of them know what's coming and (wisely) just keep their mouths shut. The progressives are kept so in-the-dark as to the feds' real intent toward them (total genocide) that they swallow hook, line and sinker anything handed to them on a silver platter - including the very thing that took them out in the last world: gambling (materialism). BTW, that silver platter has a mafia gun hidden underneath - the Las Vegas/Tahoe gaming management companies take the heaviest cut off the top before anything goes to the tribal governments. P.P.P.S. In the end, if you're a survivor of what's coming, the most important thing you can have in your backpack (and you'd better have one) is self propagating (non-hybridized) seeds. Laura Knight-Jadczyk wrote: > On 2 Aug 99, at 14:28, LORGEN@aol.com wrote: > > > Has anyone heard anything else about this situation? > > > > Eve > > Actually, a little. The same thing was forwarded to me by someone else a few > days ago. As it happens, one of the folks in our "mail group" has > "connections" out there and I sent the info to her to check out. She sent > back a preliminary series of comments, and is looking into it more deeply. Her > comments are pasted in here. > > Laura > Date sent: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 11:39:35 -0600 > To: lark2@ozline.net > From: "Sylvia C. Oliva" > Subject: Re: Sylvia!!!! > > >Subj: text of fax to art bell > >Date: 7/27/99 2:53:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time > >From: angelbooks@cybertrails.com (emanon) > >To: phikent@aol.com (Kent Steadman) > > _If convenient_, could you direct me to the round r. e-mail concerning > this fax? > > > > >Latest word from White Mountain area in Arizona: 2 weeks ago approx 1500 > >residents rec’d mailing from the Dept of Interior / US Forest Service, US > >BLM (?), and US Postal Service giving NOTICE that they were subject to a > >possible future “20 minute notice of evacuation”. > > There does not appear to be any BLM land by map perusal. I do not know of > any communities residing on BLM land. Certainly, the BIA would be > involved. The White Mountains are in the eastern part of the Ft Apache > Indian Reservation. (Dulce, NM is in Apache Reservation.) Some Indian > nation government nations are very well organized and do battle with the > BIA. I did pass a good looking "Navajo government" complex, a few > buildings and greenery, off highway 60 and in the general vicinity on my > last trip to CA, July 1999. (But see last statements. I could be a BIA > front.) > > 1500 sort of sounds right. _Crow_ radius towns within 20 miles from the > center of the White Mountains are: > > Maverik, S, pop. Not Listed > White River, SW, 1600 > Ft. Apache, SW, 350 > McNary, NW, 365 > Hon Dah, NW, NL > The above are in the reservation > Vernon, N, NL > Springerville, NE, 1802 > Eager, NE, 1802 > Greer, NE, NL > Nutrioso, E, NL > Alpine, E, 950 > Beaverhead, SE, NL > Hannagan Meadows, SE, NL > The above are in Apache National Forest. > > The towns are not readily accessible to one another, excepting Alpine and > Springerville, which are on highways 180 and 60 respectively. The US Post > Office might have sent notice to the several smaller towns. > > >Instructions were > >brief: they are to take only identifying documents (passports, licenses, > >birth records, etc.), any cash on hand, no mention of personal items or > >clothing. They are to proceed to a specific rendezvous point in their > >area, whereupon white vans would transport them to “holding areas” (and > >subsequently to temporary housing?). They are also to “mark” their house > >with a white flag or towel or sheet - hung somewhere near their front > >door to indicate they have been evacuated when troops move into the area. > > > > But the "troops" would be scattered through the not-so-easily > interconnected smaller communities. > > >3. Their houses will be needed to house a large number of “flatlanders” > >(the feds’ term) from Phoenix. Approx. 100,000 people will be evacuated > >from Phoenix after which “the bridges will be blown” - apparently to > >prevent any further escape by residents of that city. > > This makes little sense to me. Phoenix is a major Interstate crossroad. > It would take a minimm of 2.5 hours to reach the White Mountain area by > road, US 60 being virtually the only access to within ~25 miles of the WM > area. > > However, WM area is near the New Mexico border and a little south of AZ's > mid-line. A great area of New Mexico to the east is quite unpopulated. > National Forests, Wilderness Areas, Reservations. Furthermore, it is > quite high. The highest peak, Baldy, is 11,590 feet. A nearby pass on US > 180 is over 7,000 ft. Perhaps this is desirable. > > Back to Pohenix. It has a contiguous population of ~1.5 million when > Scottsdale, Tempe and Mesa are included. It does not make sense to "burn > bridges," unless someones want to make a national statement. It would be > noticed very quickly. Though to remove 100,000 inhabitants from 1.5 > million would only be 7%. It would make sense to require these residents > to hang out something white. But not in the White Mountain area. I > imagine the dwellings there are mostly sub-standard. > > That the WM area is on Apache land the same as Dulce, and very high > notwithstanding, what about disinformation and opposites:? > > In SW Arizona there is: > Restricted Area, NW > Kofa National Wildlife Refuge, NE > Yuma Proving Ground, S of the above two > a narrow corridor of Interstate 8, running east-west > Luke Airforce Bombing and Gunnery Range, S of I 8 > Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge, S of Luke > Organ Pipes National Monument, SE of Luke > All covering a very large area. But it is all very low, a pass of I 8 > being only at 767 ft. (Consider that high desert country in eastern AZ and > NM average at about 5,000 feet.) > > This SW area is much more accessible to Phoenix, about 1 to 2.5 hr. > flatland driving, depending upon where you are in the above mentioned > zones. Further, Yuma is at the west end on the I 8 corridor, population > circa 107,000. It would be much easier to stifle I 8 activity in order to > use this area. I 8 goes on to Tucson, further south of everything at > about 5,000 feet; population about 405,000; another possibility for > "invasion." South of the SW Federal government areas and south of Tucson, > is vast Mexican desolate country. > > >The weird side to this: White Mtn is ALSO reputed to be an underground > >ALIEN base (reptilian) acccording to many UFO fringe researchers. Also > >discussed in some of these circles is the oft-repeated idea that the > >reptilian compadres of the government will not be able to maintain their > >illusion of human form much longer and that THIS is what will possibly > >cause panic among the population (and the requisite institution of > >martial law). > > I sense and observe that the Apache nation is less active/organized > against Federal/State/County governments than the Hopi, Navajo and Utes. > Rural Indians, in general, (Native Americans, really) tend to be > suspicion/magic oriented, and therefore easily conned. > > I'll let you know if I scrounge any phone #'s today. Will keep it at the > front of the cue. I just happened to have taken today off from teaching > to get a lot (HA!) of other stuff done. > > My best, > > Sylvia > > ********************************* > Ark and Laura Jadczyk > http://www.cassiopaea.org Subj: Re: Fwd: White Mtn (addendum) Date: 8/3/99 5:25:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: angelbooks@cybertrails.com (emanon) After re-reading Sylvia's analysis, she's actually quite good. There are, however, some things not taken into account which are generally not known. The underground cavern / river complex stretching up under most of the coast and up under Phoenix being one example. I also think the "scale" of what's coming is something that most people don't want to even think about, much less address. A friend of mine, Terry Inch, was privvy to general information from very exclusive meetings held by the USGS, the DoD and some large financial institutions back in (Dec 1984 - Jan 1985?). They KNOW that the "Big One" is going to happen sooner or later. When is just a matter of time among other things - but I won't go into the metaphysical causes of earthquakes right now. The decision was made back then to scale back on Naval installations in the various ports, essentially leaving a skeleton force for repairs and service of the Pacific fleet, scaling back on other land-based installations, moving most financial and real estate records to archive facilitites back in Kansas and placing nuclear devices somewhere near the mouth of the Grand Canyon so that when it's all over (or relatively stable), the sides of the canyon can be blown to create another water reserve for whatever's left of the southwestern population, I suppose. The dam at Page is having problems with silt buildup behind it and that is also worrying people downriver. I personally think that most of that (Grand Canyon) area will also eventually be underwater, but the time frame could be longer. There are basically 2 forms of catastrophe we're looking at here: social and natural/geological. There's an overlap, of course (weather changes for whatever reason - meteor strike or pole flip - will destroy food production which will initiate social disaster). But the scale is what's important. I've been in Southern Calif. when a 2 day old trucker's strike back in '83 had the effect of emptying out store shelves in as many days. The first day almost all the food was gone. The second day everything else wwas gone except the extremely non-essential items. There are essentially 5 major routes into and out of LA/Orange counties. A truck sideways on I-15 just out of Morongo Valley had traffic backed up for hours one time when I was returning from AZ. Terrorists blowing just one or two bridges on any of 2 or 3 of those major "arteries" would cause a "coronary" like we haven't seen - ever. It would be the death of a whole culture. If someone got REAL serious about it, they would cut power, water and add a fire ring around LA/Orange counties like the one we saw about 10 years ago. I'm not the only one who noticed that pattern. The Los Angeles Police Dept (and probably most of the neighboring cities) have been training for "food riots" since the 50's. It wouldn't take much . . . Shall we go into the effects a mile-wide asteroid hit would have on the weather, if not the crust? I can't find the website of the animation of it but there's a "nuts and bolts" site estimating the damage here: http://loki-www.lanl.gov/~mpg/2028.html . . . that's a lot of energy for the Earth to absorb all at once. (Kent Steadman sent another one which depicts New York geting hit by a big one http://www.cs.sandia.gov/projects/comet.html - it'll serve the purpose, thanks, Kent!) Of course the debris thrown up into the atmosphere will cause the "nuclear winter" Carl Sagan described in such detail. Again, the social disaster would follow. To be quite honest, I think the "evacuation" of a bunch of people from Phoenix - or anywhere, for that matter - would be a pitiful waste of time, energy and resources better spent preparing months ahead of time . . . or kissing each other goodbye in the last few seconds. I forget which meteor disaster movie it was - Deep Impact, I think - but they went into the idea that the government wouldn't even tell anybody until about 24 hours before it happened . . . IF they knew ahead of time. And the speculation among astronomers is that for something of even that size, it may not be picked up until it's almost too late to do anything about it. Picked up, that is, by optical methods. Deep space radar and asteroid hunting satellites are another matter. All in all, I think we're dealing with a much larger event (or series of events) than just "social unrest". But social unrest could be enough. keep your matches dry . . . or at least know what flint looks like. -Dirk