UPDATED! OKC-9-11 frazzled threads, seamstress needed!

A. RECENT EMAIL

Subj: Re: camp gruber
Date: 9/6/02 4:05:48 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: BARDSQUILL
To: NAME WITHHELD

Hi, NAME WITHHELD:

Looking forward to hearing back from you, re, Camp Gruber. I will gladly publish 
your reports as you wish--Kent Steadman

Below:

In a message dated 9/5/02 7:42:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, NAME WITHHELD writes:

Hello, I ran across your web page and other articles concerning the 
alleged link between Camp Gruber and the Ryder truck used in the OKC 
bombing. I worked at the DARPA project there in the fall of 1994. What 
would you like to know?
NAME WITHHELD
[NO REPLY THUS FAR]

UPDATED
Subj: gruber  
Date: 9/8/02 4:52:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time 
From: ANON 
To: BARDSQUILL 
 

I began working at Camp Gruber in September 1994 as a security officer for 
the DARPA project. My employer was Wells-Fargo. I can’t remember by what 
means I heard of the job but I interviewed with a person from Wells-Fargo 
in a hotel conference room in Muskogee, OK. I was a CLEET certified security 
officer and had worked in Tulsa as a contract security officer. A few days 
after the interview I was contacted by Wells-Fargo and informed that they had 
verified my security clearance and I was hired. There were about 10 of us 
total working as security officers there. Our salary was $12.50/hour. Several 
of us including myself were in the military reserves. We all met together and 
were briefed on the sensitivity of the weapons sensor testing project that was 
in its field testing phase and that testing would take place at Camp Gruber. 
We were told it would be about a 3- month project. Camp Gruber has lots of 
training space there and had been home to one of the Army’s Air Assault Schools 
until summer 1994. It was by no means a secretive compound like I’ve read about 
in some articles. It was very active in WWII and is used by many Army Reserve 
and National Guard units for various field training events and marksmanship 
qualifications. It was also used as a Military Operations in Urban Terrain (MOUT) 
facility. It’s located near Braggs and Muskogee is about 15 miles away from there.

DARPA began constructing the vehicle storage area in September 1994. That was where 
the aerial photo was taken with the Ryder truck inside the lot. That lot was used 
to store vehicles that transported equipment that would be tested. It was important 
to DARPA that the tested vehicle itself and the testing that took place a few miles 
away remain private and unobserved from anyone. As security officers, our mission 
was to report any observations both from ground and air. We manned security outposts 
in 4 locations as I recall. One was right outside the gate of the storage lot, one 
was at a building we used as our headquarters which I believe was the post 
commander’s house back in WWII. The last static post was out in a training area on 
a road leading to the testing area. And the other was a mobile post, we conducted 
vehicular patrols driving either a Ford Bronco or a red Ford Explorer. We rotated 
the posts each shift we worked so all of us worked in each one at some point during 
our week.

I mostly worked the 2-10 PM shift so I observed the Ryder truck and other vehicles 
returning almost daily from the field testing site to park their trucks back in the 
lot. Field testing did not take place every day. Sometimes it was weather dependent 
and other times they conducted night testing. The field testing site had some temporary 
trailers erected serving as their logistics and office facilities. There were also a 
set a bleachers there to allow military members and others involved in the project 
to observe and record the testing. As I recall the majority of all civilian contractors 
were based out of Virginia and if I remember correctly the vehicle being tested was 
for the Marines. As security officers, we weren’t informed about every detail of 
the testing but we were briefed at the beginning that they would test some equipment 
that would make military vehicles less visible through the sights of enemy combat 
vehicles, radars, etc. I’m sure by now DARPA either fielded this equipment or 
cancelled it and it is no longer a classified project.

About the pilot killed there, I hadn’t heard anything about that until I read about 
it on the internet. During my time there I did observe one or two aircraft flying 
overhead. I wrote down their tail numbers, turned it in to my supervisor, and I’m 
not sure what happened after that. I’m sure we just kept it on file in case we needed 
it later. I’m not sure if the airspace was restricted or not but I didn’t see too may 
aircraft flying overhead. The majority of any security issues we had was keeping 
local hunters out of the area both for our safety and to keep the testing unobserved 
whether intentional or unintentional. Camp Gruber and the surrounding property are 
very popular deer hunting areas. I worked there from the first day until the last 
day and don’t recall any breaches of security or any problems there. The sight was 
dismantled in December 1994 and that was it for the program.

I observed nothing during that time that leads me to believe it had any connection 
with the OKC bombing. But I will entertain any ideas of theories concerning a 
possible connection and will think back to my time there and tell what I know. But I 
do know for sure that any photos taken of the storage lot with the Ryder truck in it 
was taken sometime between September and December 1994. I never even heard of any 
connection with the OKC bombing until sometime last year when I ran across it on 
the internet. Hope this helps and let me know if I can provide any more details. Thanks.



B. INFORMATION FROM NORIO

Pilot/Photographer of OKC "Ryder Truck" killed in air crash!!

7/23/02 1:37:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time

It has come to the attention of the Oklahoma City Bombing research community
that Sargeant Robert Luis Harding of Oklahoma National Guard and a facility
manager at Camp Gruber, had actually been killed in the crash of his small
home-built aircraft just a few hundred yards from a covert operations site on
May 15, 1995 after he had earlier allegedly took the controversial aerial photo
of the site which included a mysterious Ryder Truck.

http://www.proparanoid.com/OK2.htm#fraud

The original, controversial aerial photos first appeared on the Internet at:
http://members.aol.com/bardsquill/truck.htm

A detailed background information on the controversy surrounding Camp Gruber,
Oklahoma, is located at:
http://www.proparanoid.com/OK1.htm#public

---
from Norio Hayakawa
Civilian Intelligence Network
http://www.hometown.aol.com/groom51s4

C. STRANGE WASHINGTON POST ARTICLE

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/TRUCK/IVY/ivy_debate.html

The Oklahoma City Bombing
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, June 14, 1997; Page A08

[....]

Tony Sgarlatti of Hopkins, Minn., is selling an "Oklahoma City
Bombing Fact Pak" ($29.95) via a site on the World Wide
Web. It offers alternative theories on the April 19, 1995, blast,
including allegations that the explosion came from bombs
planted inside the Murrah building. His latest theory is that an
"electromagnetic pulse weapon" was involved. Other Web sites
carry photos of a Ryder truck parked at a military installation in
Oklahoma, where conspiracy-minded investigators contend the
fertilizer bomb was assembled.

The Oklahoma National Guard confirmed Friday that the aerial
photos were indeed taken above Camp Gruber in the fall of
1994 and said the classified project involved weapons sensors
and was overseen by the Defense Advanced Research
Projects Agency. The National Guard´s statement said the
truck "had no association whatsoever with the tragedy at the
Alfred P. Murrah Building."

D. INTERNET SEARCH: WHAT THE HECK ARE WEAPONS SENSORS?

DARPA developing killer tech
http://www.fcw.com/fcw/articles/2002/0527/web-darpa-05-27-02.asp

	 TECH TO BE CONSIDERED
* Affordable Moving Surface Target Engagement (AMSTE). This is IXO's
largest program. It's a system-of-systems approach coupling sensors to precision
weapons. The goal is to find a target from a long distance and engage quickly.
The challenges include accuracy, maintenance and affordability. AMSTE was
demonstrated successfully last summer.
* Advanced Tactical Targeting Technology (AT3). This is a series of
networked threat warning receivers designed to provide rapid geo-location
of a target within 50 meters, within 10 seconds of the first intercept.
The idea is to replace the current generation of radar warning receivers
with these boxes, but network management and multipath issues remain challenges.
A real-time test aboard three T-39 aircraft is planned for this summer.
* Tactical Targeting Network Technology (TTNT). This is envisioned as
a multiplatform tactical sensor system with networked communications, providomg
more bandwidth sensor-to-sensor and sensor-to-shooter. This program is in
its early stages, but lab demonstrations have made the IXO think it is achievable,
multiple contractor concepts are being considered. TTNT will co-exist with
the current Link 16 tactical data link system, a high capacity, secure digital
communications system that supplies near-real-time data and links tactical
commanders to shooters in the air, on the ground and at sea.
(illegally downloaded by Wen Ho Lee, at Los Alamos?)


E. TARGETING, EH? BUT FROM WHAT?

private_info.htm

Well you cannot expect standard Commercial Airline
Pilots to know about (CLASSIFIED). OPS BLACKSTAR is Highly Compartmented,
Secret Fire-Command & Control Platform System that flies out of Holloman
AFB NM./FT. Huachuca, AZ (BLACKBAG OPS). Combine BLACKSTAR (Pilotless) and
Thiokol's Corps. Portal Transport Systems (illegally downloaded by Wen Ho
Lee, at Los Alamos), and You can control ANY AIRCRAFT THAT IS FBW. Remember
that OPS BLACKSTAR has broadcast dissemination capabilities to 100 Aircraft
at one time (AWACS, ASARS, JSTARS, TENCAP, TROJAN SPIRIT, GUARDRAIL-CS, UAV's,
SIGINT, TEAMMATE, TRACKWOLF, REMBASS, HUMINT, CI IMINT, MASINT, TECHINT,
JTF, ARF-OR, ACE, JIC, ACT) for an effective INTELLIGENCE BOS. I have personally SEEN,
OPS BLACKSTAR in operation.
[GULP, CHINA!]

F. HUMUNGOUS "UNREGISTERED" SATS

Astronomers Spy Unregistered Satellite
April 5, 2002 08:30 CST
http://c1.zedo.com//ads2/f/11421/3853/255/0/152009479/152000000/0/152/228/zz-Site114.html

A group of Japanese astronomers watching the heavens around the clock 
to spot any sign of huge asteroids and comets apparently found an undisclosed 
spy satellite, they announced Thursday.

It is 50 meters wide and orbiting the Earth but it doesn´t show up on any of the 
lists of satellites registered with the North American Aerospace Defense Command. 
There are more than 8,000 objects up there sent from Earth but this one isn´t 
listed, making it a prime suspect as a spy satellite.

The large satellite was observed by a group of Japanese astronomers who search 
the sky constantly for huge asteroids and comets that could threaten the planet. 
The unidentified object was spotted at the Japan Spaceguard Association´s observation 
center in Bisei, Okayama Prefecture, in December last year. After examining the 
NORAD list, the group said it was most likely a U.S. or Chinese satellite.

Aerospace engineering specialist Nobuo Nakatomi said the object was likely to be 
a spy satellite. "It is a common practice around the world to secretly launch 
satellites for technical or military reasons, and they won´t make entry on the 
NORAD list," Nakatomi said. "Judging from the information available, it looks 
like the object is a U.S. or Chinese spy satellite."

Shuzo Isobe, director of the spaceguard association, was delighted with the ability 
of its 1-meter-diameter optical telescope at the Bisei Spaceguard Center. "We will 
keep watching space to spot asteroids or man-made objects that can be a threat to 
Earth," said Isobe, who is also an assistant professor at the National Astronomical 
Observatory of Japan.

Though the astronomers found it using a one-meter telescope, the unidentified satellite 
can be observed with binoculars in the southeastern sky.

Source: Mainich Daily News

Cosmiverse Staff Writer

[50 meters wide, GOOD GRIEF! HOW THE HELL DID THAT GET UP THERE?]

G. SO IT´S WAR NOW, EH? HAVE A BAD FEELING THAT SOME OF THESE MYSTERIES MIGHT 
BECOME PAINFULLY APPARENT!

War Begins & Nobody Notices!
http://www.rense.com/general29/war.htm

Nearly 100 US-UK Jets Hit Major Iraq Air Defences
http://www.rense.com/general28/htt.htm
Bush Family Face-off
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/message.php?message=3830&topic=3


H. TARGETED BY WHAT?

 TECTONIC WEAPONS
ISTC Project 1545
Induced Seismicity Due to Electromagnetic
Impact Caused by MHD Generator
 IRAQ: WORLD'S FIRST SCALAR WAR?

FORUM