12-17-05 Pt II: Marrs + Henry Transcript
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  Dreamland
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  WS: This is Whitley Strieber
  and were back. And Jim Marrs and William Henry are having a marvelous
  conversation about what is really going on here in terms of the way the future
  and the past intersect. And who might be trying to gain knowledge from the
  past, secret knowledge from the past, most notably in Iraq, and how that
  might relate to our future. I am sitting here like a fly on the wall and
  enjoying myself thoroughly, I am really. Its fascinating stuff guys
  and Im going to just let you plunge back into it right now.
  
   
  WH: Thank you Whitley, very
  much. Jim, yeah, as I was saying, you know, these... the looting of Iraq
  actually began with the UN weapons inspectors Who were clandestinely...
  clandestinely removing artifacts, anything they could take out of the country
  with them, they were taking and that was well known. But as you mentioned,
  without a doubt, we had an absolute target on that Iraqi National Museum.
  We knew what was there and look, you know, you don't have to look much further
  than what is in, like for example, J. P.
  Morgan's,  personal library to... for examples of the kind of advanced
  science that is presented on these cylinder seals. I mean when you look at
  what J. P. Morgans boys brought out of Iraq in the 1850's and the 1860's
  when the looting of that country commenced. 
  You know we're talking about
  people having for a very long time an understanding that those libraries
  over there, which are buried beneath the sands of Baghdad, we've got, you
  know, 20 feet beneath Baghdad and throughout Iraq are all the secrets of
  the Anunaki Gods of the ancient world.
  And it's been my supposition
  that what Saddam recognized that he possessed was literally
  a...  one of the biggest bombs
  imaginable. Because once he released this knowledge that's in these libraries...
  
  PUFF, there goes Christianity!
  POOF, there goes the Jewish religion. 
  Because we start to realize
  is that these stories upon which western civilization hangs its hat are literally
  based upon Sumerian originals. And once that is fully recognized, it brings
  about a giant question mark about the source of Western
  civilization.
   
  JM: You're absolutely right
  and if that's not momentous enough though, there's also the technological
  aspect of it. Which is that, you know, we often marveled and wondered how
  the Great Pyramid was built and some of these other wonders of the Ancient
  World, most of which are no longer around. 
  But, and we have the ancient
  records both in the Hindu Vedas and in the ancient Sumerian text of things
  flying in the sky and all kinds of things. So weve got the technology
  involved, which would involve the manipulation of energy. And once we're
  talking about this, once we're talking about changing the basic form of atoms,
  rearranging the atom from within. You know, everything that we think of as
  reality, the four basics of the Earth: Wind, air, water, fire earth... all
  of that is basically made up of the same atomic structures. It's just that
  they're different only in their arrangement, and once you could rearrange
  that then you can... you know, it's limitless. Were talking about
  faster-than-light speed travel, we're talking about anti-gravity, we're talking
  about perhaps Time-Travel or Interdimensional travel. And of course, this
  is where cutting-edge physics is taking us right now. 
  You can perfectly well see
  that minds within the Pentagon, or within the Langley, they can... not only
  do they want that knowledge but then they've got to see that that knowledge
  doesnt fall into the hands of our perceived enemy. 
   
  WH: Well, that's right.
  And you know, as we know, and as I believe you're going to discuss in your
  presentation as well, the Nazis were very interested into this too.
  And...
   
  JM: yeah
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  WH: Yeah heavy into it
  And we have to just remind everyone as I alluded to a moment ago.
  
  This race to Babylon actually
  commenced in the 1860's when American scholars from Yale, from Harvard, from
  University of Chicago, from Aten (?), were digging up the sands of Iran and
  Iraq, seeking to prove that the Bible was true.
   
   
   
  And they brought home incredible
  artifacts that referenced the book of Ezekiel, the story of Ezekiel, and
  other Biblical references that established in many people's minds that hey,
  there's no question that the Biblical stories are actually true. Well, they
  were in a race with the German scientists and archeologists that were looking
  at the same evidence, looking at the same temples but seeking to prove that
  the story of Atlantis was true. 
  And that was the dividing
  line and that, of course, spun into the occult war of WWII where the 2 sides
  lined up to see who was going to actually create the new Atlantis. Was it
  going to be Nazi Germany or was it going to be the United States of America?
  
  And here we are today right
  back in the same place looking at the same evidence.
   
  JM: With some of the same
  old Nazi's running the show!
   
  WH: (laughing) I know, talk
  about that, Jim. I mean, how does that, do you? You've mentioned that the
  national security state of Germany during WWII, by all accounts, was on the
  track of this technology we're describing. And that there's evidence that
  we have a new national security state of the United States. Talk about that
  and how that plays into this. 
   
  JM: Yeah, because after
  the war, the same ruling elite wanted to continue their quest for this knowledge.
  And so thousands of high-ranking Nazis, of course, got out of Europe, of
  course, on Vatican Passports. They came and established themselves in the
  United States as some of our rocket... top rocket scientists. They went to
  Canada; it's now been shown that Canada fielded a bunch of
  them.
  And of course at this point,
  all of this was not necessarily done in a sinister, conspiratorial manner.
  
  It was simply that right
  at the end of WWII, everybody began looking ahead and they realized we were
  going to be in some sort of war, either cold or hot, with Soviet Russia.
  And so it was like we've got to get whatever allies we can. And so we just
  brought the Nazi's in wholesale.
  And they folded themselves
  neatly right into our emerging National Security state which was, you know,
  given the stamp of approval and the legislative and lawful background in
  September of 1947 with the, when Harry Truman signed the National Security
  Act of 1947. 
  And you know it's really
  interesting to me that there's a story that I got from a Congressional
  Investigator who said that Harry Truman's mother was dying back in Missouri
  and he wanted to rush to her bedside, but they held him up at National Airport
  there in late September 1947 for hours, just so they could rush the National
  Security Act to him for his signature and make it law. And why the rush?
  
  Well, it was rushed into
  law anyway because it began, although several things had been talked about
  since WWII, like renaming the War Department the Defense Department and
  separating the Air Force from the Army. It was, nevertheless, it began to
  get rushed into legislation only in mid July, 1947 and they had about a month
  and a half to put it all together. And why the rush? Because I think it had
  to do with the events in Roswell, New Mexico, the first of July, 1947.
  
  Something crashed there
  and they didn't want us to know about it so the official approved press release
  that said, "we've captured a flying saucer," became, "No, no, no, they just
  found a weather balloon and they were all mistaken. And the whole thing
  was swept under the carpet and yet the National Security Council was rushed
  into being, which among other things, by its very definition, if anything
  has to do with national security, whether it's energy manipulation, whether
  it's new airplanes, whether it's enemy intentions, then it's handled by the
  National Security Council. And that bypassed Congress, the media, and the
  public. 
   
  WH: Hmmm
   
  JM: And this is when we
  began to have this super secret National Security State. And I agree with
  you, William that I think at the heart of this was the quest for this ancient
  technology and this ancient knowledge. Some of which has been kept from us,
  by the way, because you were talking about Hermes and all the various names.
  One of the reasons... don't you agree that one of the ways they have kept
  us from really figuring all this out is because every time a new civilization
  comes along or a new language comes along, they change the
  names.
   
  WH: Yeah, right
  
   
   
  JM: Well, you know, everybody
  goes, well, you know, is it Zeus or you know, is it Thor or is it, you know.
  The basic concept is always the same but the name is always changed and I
  think that's just to keep people confused.
   
  WH: Yeah, without a doubt,
  I mean, and that's the easiest way they do it is by changing the
  language.
  And we're going to, we're
  probably going to see that in Iraq today. I mean I'd like to... it's not
  a joke. I mean, it's very serious. But I think we should just change the
  name of the place over there to America, let's spell it A M E R I Q A. You
  know, because...
   
  WS: Hey, wait a minute Jim,
  hello; this is the great voice in the sky here, bringing you both down to
  Earth because we have to take a little break. And when we come back, I'm
  listening to this and I have a question for both of you. And I want you to
  kind of grok (?) on it and that is... WHY? Is there some kind of larger presence
  here that has a, that maybe something akin to the New World Order but kind
  of deeper, more deeply hidden agenda for this world and for this species
  ? And if so, what is that agenda?
   
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