************************************************************ A few comments after-the-fact, mostly, re, Firmage: Keep in mind, Although I really don't know him that well (he was not yet born when I left Utah in '66 to go teach in CA); however, and I'm not sure how I know this, Joe thinks he's doin good, but I can't help from some of his comments in recent interviews, that he MIGHT BE in dangerous company. The dude is brilliant but they (spookoids) are closin in on him and he's young and inexperienced, money or not. I DO LIKE THE GUY, almost like a lil brother--spiritual lil brother that is, same tweaked brain as mine, I see . . .signs. I feel that Firmage is much like the rest of us mutant experiencer's, and we need to watch out for one-another no matter what. Kent In a message dated 8/5/99 9:27:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jferris@mindspring.com writes: << ************************************************************ Kent asked me to share this with the Starfriends list of what we were talking about last night, there is something that is/was going on in Utah....... (We were talking about Joe Firmage, etc., that is the Joe mentioned below.) Joni (edited for the Starfriends list) PHIKENT: You know Joe, although I was gone when he was born, his family lived within a stone's throw of mine in Holladay, Utah JONI FERRIS: You know Joe? PHIKENT: AND...there WERE indeed a lot of strange things going on around there that in my opinion was NOT GOOD for the people, the Mormon communities---in the Fifties bizarre things happened and the salt-o' the earth types started gettin WEIRD. PHIKENT: I've never met Joe, but when I heard about his "experiences," I called him and a coupla weeks later her called back for a 15 min chat--busy man. PHIKENT: Around 1958, me and my lil brothers where out playing on the lawn when a WHOLE FLEET of UFOs APPARENTLY buzzed Utah. Although the event became very dreamlike over the years, my brothers in the last few years verified the memory JONI FERRIS: do you think you were taken at that time? All of you (brothers too?) PHIKENT: yes, we went and hid inside, but they found us and hauled us aboard their ship (I think) I was very young, but the memory although dreamlike was followed by experiences that were not. PHIKENT: When I first heard about Joe, it really HIT ME. PHIKENT: I'll keep writing here cuz it needs to come out, anyway, thereafter, the simple Mormon folk began to change, got kind of uptight, much competition, a sudden drive toward material things. Kinda MEAN! PHIKENT: meanwhile, the defense industry and their spookoids moved into Utah BIGTIME, even in my opinion infiltrated the the politics, the Mormon Church, was a big sellout, very sad. I also think the Mormons became regarded as EXPENDABLE and were the victims of obvious and not so obvious experimentation. PHIKENT: radiation releases, mind-control, suddenly the simple farmers, moved towards jobs in Defense, became trained for roles in Alphabet Agencies, etc. Their world missionary program became a basis for inclusion in the world spy network--many returned missionaries were recruited at BYU to become CIA, NSA, etc. PHIKENT: The whole Mormon culture did a flipflop JONI FERRIS: What ets did you see? PHIKENT: Seen several kind, I BELIEVE the ones way back then were grays, maybe reps PHIKENT: Dugway Proving Grounds which had ties to Brookhaven performed ghastly experiments such as intentional radiation releases over the Salt Lake Valley, starting in '49 PHIKENT: I NOW BELIEVE that mind-control techniques, the electronic kind were deployed there. JONI FERRIS: right, so you think that maybe the govt was working with Ets in that area? JONI FERRIS: What city was this in? PHIKENT: yes, and I wouldn't be surprised regarding infiltration into the Mormon culture itself, a perfect test ground, an long isolated people, strongly authority oriented, for one thing the DOD moved in there, and the West in general because the cowpoke populations, essentially conservative, would create less of a risk when strange stunts were experimented with by the Paperclip boys. PHIKENT: Salt Lake City and surrounding communities. JONI FERRIS: Did they do these experiments on the local children at night there? PHIKENT: I NOW MUST ACCEPT that some of my own bizarre experiments could have been "manipulation, either by ETs, Feds, or both. PHIKENT: something bad was happening at night. My brother, ANON, and I were aware of entities moving through the bedroom, typical kid stuff, I guess, but nevertheless powerful enough to still happen to us in adulthood. JONI FERRIS: Right, can you write like a timeline of your experiences? To see what has been done? PHIKENT: have one already: biography.html JONI FERRIS: That is great, ok, Kent, did you see the same ETs thru out your life? PHIKENT: To tell you the truth I am VERY CONCERNED about Joe Firmage, almost makes me cry, he is brilliant, but he has dropped certain names, that smack of Aviary, etc. PHIKENT: He reminds me so much of myself as a young man. JONI FERRIS: Then he is a plant? works for the govt? PHIKENT: My feeling is, and I want to word this very carefully..... JONI FERRIS: ok PHIKENT: He has been "intrigued" by some dangerous elements, keep in mind he is very young.... PHIKENT: And in truth my heart goes out to him JONI FERRIS: ok, so what do you make of him and what you experienced? What did he say to you? PHIKENT: I made a crummy attempt to try to talk to him, hoping to get to the important stuff, alas, my real message failed, the phone call was so brief on his end. JONI FERRIS: Did he see the same ETs as you did? PHIKENT: He saw an alleged "angelic" being, similar to visitations I have had, BUT read very carefully what I've said above, think about the idea that an entire town, an entire culture has been preened to see certain things in a certain way. PHIKENT: Now here comes the hard part JONI FERRIS: ok PHIKENT: Given that an entire "backwoods" population could have been a part of a manipulative experiment.... JONI FERRIS: your brothers remember what they'd id to them too? PHIKENT: given that I am seeing people like myself from a similar background even within my own neighborhood having dreams, visions, visitations PHIKENT: AN ALERT GOES OFF JONI FERRIS: he had dreams like you had? can you tell me the similarities??? PHIKENT: I remember nuclear under-the-desk alerts, giant radioactive clouds going over the valley, other radiation releases that were in fact INTENTIONAL. Dugway once released enough rads over the SL Valley to rival Chernobyl, just to see what would happen to the civilian population. JONI FERRIS: how did they get control of peoples minds? How can we protect ourselves from this? PHIKENT: Non-ionizing weapons were UNDOUBTEDLY tested. PHIKENT: social manipulation, more JONI FERRIS: when you went to bed at night could they have broadcasted dreams to everyone in that town? PHIKENT: The Salt Lake Valley was a perfect petrii jar for experimentation. JONI FERRIS: sounds like it! PHIKENT: A people, authority-oriented, European descent, homogeneous, already believers in dreams, prophets, visions. JONI FERRIS: I have seen a drac, and they are something a person can't forget! JONI FERRIS: did you experience experiences thru out your life? PHIKENT: yes, continued PHIKENT: here's a difficult question, if a normal person has an ET implant, what is he, what does he become? JONI FERRIS: someone who is being tracked? looked at? PHIKENT: If a person for instance gets a biological DRAC implant, is he then human or DRAC? PHIKENT: feel free to copy this and post whatever parts to STAR--time to hash these things out. JONI FERRIS: OK, you take care Kent, and we all will figure this out! :-) PHIKENT: later