Date: 12/30/03 11:20:02 AM Pacific Standard Time
Need a little gratis help from some of the outriders-- time to pay the piper.
I rely on Patrons to make this effort available for all. The artist-patron relationship dates back forever. Patrons are the true Royalty. K
you know kent, i have really appreciated what you do and although i have litle desire to go there again, i am one of those who has visited your site on an almost daily basis ... have even contributed to your site on more than one occasion ...
but i just have to say this ...
i too am a creative and an artist, as is my partner ... we each have worked in the world at large and have chosen a decisively non materialist path ... we have faced hard times, tough times, life threatening times .. have done without, have even gone without food on many occasions ... live to this day on little ...
we have extended ourselves and our necks n this world to speak truth, act and live by the tenets of beauty, truth, love ... as have done many of our truly dedicated heart centered creative/artistic friends ...
i have also raised three enormously creative kids ... mostly on my own ... always on a shoestring ...
yet not once has any of us employed the manipulative tactics that you seem to have resorted to ...
Toss a coin now so I won't have to close down for a sustained beg. K
not one of us has attempted to extort the heart ...
now even though i know you suffer from some disability, nonetheless, why not close down for a spell and give your wife a break ... let her sit down at the computer while you go out and support her and the family ... who knows what she may create ...
she may just turn out to be the true royalty ...
but i suspect she already is ...
A.
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In a message dated 12/30/03 11:20:02 AM Pacific Standard Time A. writes:
not one of us has attempted to extort the heart ...
now even though i know you suffer from some disability, nonetheless, why not close down for a spell and give your wife a break ... let her sit down at the computer while you go out and support her and the family ... who knows what she may create A.
I'm working on that. Played on stage for the first time in 20 years.
Fact is, I can't afford to keep the thousands of pages of ORBIT on the web and to put in a 24 hour daily watch without some GRATIS return for my efforts, bottom line.
ORBIT might soon be gone.
Kent
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12/31/03 10:40:34 AM Pacific Standard Time
kent,
got a heads up to check out your page ...
isn't quoting out of context just another manner of manipulation ...
my point was that there are many of us out there attempting to
accomplish just what you are, but we know that when you have to take
care of business you do just that and THAT in itself is that which heals
the world ...
why extract a quote from out of context when the entirety of my comments
may have given a far more accurate representation of the point i was
making ...
instead you took heart centered feedback and manipulated it to come
across as dark mooded intentions ...
pretty transparent, kent ...
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In a message dated 12/31/03 10:40:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, A.writes:
instead you took heart centered feedback and manipulated it to come
across as dark mooded intentions ...A.
Your critique was precisely dark-mooded. You brought up my wife in your rant. Hitting below the belt--your mighty new-agey signature: a sneer on my family. Some rickety soapbox you perch on there!
The rest of your quote was simply air-headed gas. You say you are an artist. Do you pass around your art for free? Ever been on the streets trying to survive? I have, and this is what street artists do, they panhandle. I'd suggest you learn how.
Kent
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So as to not tweak your artistic sensitivities I published the full blog. Be glad to add your signature if you request.
Kent
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Date: 12/31/03 1:15:21 PM Pacific Standard Time
On Dec 31, 2003, at 12:56 PM, BARDSQUILL@aol.com wrote:
> our critique was precisely dark-mooded. You brought up my wife in your
> rant. Hitting below the belt--your mighty new-agey signature: a sneer
> on my family. K.
no sneer whatsoever on your family kent ... just an APPRECIATION for
the lengths women go to to support their partners ... but you chose to
interpret it your way ... so be it ...
i think your wife is an ANGEL ... i was just ACKNOWLEDGING her ... not
that you would recognize that and no amount of your dark moodedness
will change that ...
> Some rickety soapbox you perch on there! K.
no rickety soapbox either ... i have put my art aside to go out and
work to support my family ... kids AND the man artist ... when
necessary ..
>
> The rest of your quote was simply air-headed gas. K.
convenient ... but whatever, kent ...
> You say you are an artist. Do you pass around your art for free? K.
ALWAYS kent ... never charged a penny! ...
> Ever been on the streets trying to survive? I have, and this is what
> street artists do, they panhandle. I'd suggest you learn how. K.
no, never been on the streets, close though ... but always found a job
no matter how 'beneath me' as an artist ...
enuf said ... place whatever you want out of context ... serve yourself
A.
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...In a message dated 12/31/03 1:15:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, A. writes:
>You say you are an artist. Do you pass around your art for free? K.
ALWAYS kent ... never charged a penny! ...A.
I've been a professional artist all my life. I take it seriously, it has been my livelihood. Thjis stance requires determination too--constantly attempting to bust through the stereotype that artsy-fartsy is a hobby only for bored elites.
What I am doing on my website is within my cultural assignment as an artist--to bust up the big Yankeedoodledandy brainwash, skirt the unknown.
And yes, I'll panhandle on the streets if necessary to be an artist. Yes, I've taken mainstream jobs in warehouses, housepainting, apartment maintainance, but I had to eventually take a stand--to be an artist or not. Such a stand is scary in assemblyline Amerika.
As far as ORBIT goes if my readers want me to continue, thus I will; otherwise I cannot continue and would rather go back to the pubs and streets to do my Muse. Simple choices for all concerned.
K.
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Just so everything is up front. I am 62 and rather weak from years on the web. I was born with a club hand, enough of a stub to put a thumb pick, thank gawd.
I'm a recovering alcoholic since '88. Also additional med problems. At one time I made supplementary income playing music in the pubs. Only now do I feel strong enough to reconsider this an an option.
I have recently restored my original arsenal of musical instruments, buying old beat up stuff on the Internet and gluing mandolins, dulcimers, guitars back together. A bunch of younger musicians have showed up on the scene and we trade Rock n' Roll compositions for my Bluegrass. The music is happening again. And I will probably go back out there, rather as a writer and organizer but I'll join the band too if necessary.
Being streetwise I consider a virtue, especially in pruney Jackboot America now. I'm serious when I suggest to other aspiring Creatives to learn the ropes on the street. Been there, done that. It saved my ass.
ORBIT seems to be fizzling, so I am birthing options.
K
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Another take:
Date: 12/31/03 1:02:18 PM Pacific Standard Time
Hello Kent:
Its ANON in Oregon. Saw the piece about "criticisims" on yer page and that only $250.00 came in this month.
Heres my take,
you know I always tried for several years to send something yer way. This year things are tuff, harder to send that good cheer along. On top of money worries for myself.....
I dont appreciate the FORUM...... that is a BIG...BLACK ....UGLY minus (negative) on your side. Who wants to hear from these "no-bodies"? Who needs their half baked, trendy little logo, goofball opinions anyhow? Who needs some asshole like "anonomous coward" constantly never adding to, but always detracting from??? I'm sorry bro, but SINCE you started farming out your website to the forums and others, shit has gone WAY WAY down hill on your site.
KENT, we all come to your page for YOU lad, YOU are the draw, the genius, the flagship, indeed the EMPEROR KENTO! YOU have the magic, go back to doing that and $$ will also come back. But when you leave your work to these goofballs, honestly..I have stopped coming to your page as I once did because of it. Its depressing to put it simply.
KENT, go back to the formula that made you (IE: Timely, insightful musings, discoverys and studies)...... NOT, forum ugliness, amateur speculation or wannabee online psuedo-gurus leading the charge, it's your page, get rid of that blight. Take back the reins... (that forum reeks to hi-heaven of troll, ego and minimal real knowledge or help How depressing can it get?? How low will you let this shit go? ).....Christ, let'em make and keep up their own webpage fer shits sake (or not). Its wrecking your income....
Your recent "low-ebb" on the $$ scene is in direct response to Kent disappearing and in his place is some bad forum crap, late updates, no studies what so ever and as stated, a general malaise of depressive nothingness. Cant you see this too? Too much going back to "old days" crap. I know this is harsh, but not directed at you, this is a viewpoint from someone who is concerned.
YOU can reclaim your spot or power, but it will not be thru a forum, the ANON amateurish site or anyone elses stuff...... get away and be YOU again, you-now....NOT the you when Lea was small, not the you that made Shadow, not the you that was once a hippie, we NEED you the man now for now / BE HERE NOW..now be here, here be now.... WE need KENT and when and if that happens, I'll betcha big money that the support $$ and page hits will return full bloom and the criticisims will cease. Kent, I respect ya a whole bunch, I'll help out..... but dude, catch a clue and dump these parasites ye've collected. BRING BACK KENT. (period). Pull this outta the fire now Kent, wait much longer and things will slip so that recovery will be nigh unto impossible.
just an opinion, I offer tobacco for you and prayers.....
Your fan and friend
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Thanks,
I take your advice most seriously. I posted your take ANON to the email blog ..for my own stewing actually. Trying to make decisions here. Mainly wondering if I should go out into the music scene again.
K
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Date: 12/31/03 2:43:20 PM Pacific Standard Time
On Dec 31, 2003, at 1:40 PM, BARDSQUILL@aol.com wrote:
> What I am doing on my website is within my cultural assignment as an
> artist--to bust up the big Yankeedoodledandy brainwash, skirt the
> unknown. K
>
>
kent,
believe me i respect and honour what you do ... the only thing that
bugs me, has bugged me is when you shut down ... in sort of a job
action ... until people ante up to the coffers ...
and i guess since i've given up so much of myself to facilitate the
artistry of others (as many women seem more hard wired to do) i am
overly sensitive to that kind of stand ...
i understand where you are coming from and appreciate your dedication
to your art ... and i'm with you 100% in the determination to awaken
people to their complacency ...
i just don't want to resort to the strategies employed by the
brainwash, to do so ...
can't you just ask for help, stay open as long as you can, and close
down if you can't??? ...
there is change afoot kent .. and not the new agey space brothers come
to save us from our own complacency ...
i'm fairly certain that all that may 'survive' is the consciousness
with which we depart ... so in the aftermath, when another gravity core
attraction bends our conscious light towards another distant shore we
might finally get it right and collectively co-create a matrix of the
heart ...
best to you kent .. i mean that ...
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Date: 1/1/04 10:53:12 PM Pacific Standard Time
Kent,
After reading the comments that you have recieved regarding your site, I
just wanted to add my fifteen cents.... Feel free to post this if you like.
First I'd like to address the individual who has taken a rather smarmy
stance on your requests for donations. Without getting into a flame war, I
would simply like to ask who this person thinks they are to judge you and
your situation. You provide a free service that is valued, and has been
valued, by thousands over the years. There are many people who have your
work to thank for introducing them to a variety of topics and ideas. You
have never charged a subscription. All you have asked for are donations to
help keep the process going. Cyberspaceorbit is part of your art. I see
no ethical problem in your asking for some support. What bothers me is
the attitude that some seem to have. There seems to be an attitude of
entitlement. That somehow everyone should get to have what you create for
free, and damn you to hell you wuss if you ask for a little assistance.
Seems a bit strange. So I guess I would just tell them to stick a cork in
it and then ignore them. Maybe they should give what you do a try before
they decide to tell you how to run things.
As to the development of the website.....
I have to agree with one of the posts regarding the GLP forums.
Although they are not directly associated with the site, they do impart a
rather negative feeling. I admire Elaine for handling the madness over
there, but I think a moderated forum for Cyberspaceorbit might be
worthwhile. Yahoo groups is a good selection, as the administrative tools
are much easier and cleaner then many others out there.
As to other lines of expansion/growth? I don't really know. If I can
think of anything I'll let you know. One thing you might like to consider
is some advertising in your local area. Business cards etc....
I hope the new year is bright for you and your family. May the gods
keep you and yours.