12/16/02 8:57:27 AM Pacific Standard Time
SENTINEL
Let me begin by saying that I'm working with the data that's made available
at www.zetatalk.com, trying to do some rough calculations to determine if
the probability of the PX threat can be more accurately determined by crunching
some numbers against what information is available to see if the data provided
falls within the realm of possibility. Let me also add, that I am not
the best qualified person in the world to do this, but as nobody else has
bothered to make any serious attempt to analyze the available data, I figured
I might as well kick the ball into play. I encourage you (and others)
to play with these figures to see what results and determinations you
independently arrive at.
It was given by zetatalk that PXs' passage through the inner solar
system (given as the diameter of Saturn's orbit = 9.53 AU *2 = 19.06 AU)
would take roughly about 3 months). or an average of .00872 AUs/hr. I've
also roughly determined from their material that it's closest passage to
the sun will be approx. .04 AUs, however it could potentially come as close
as .37 AUs. Zetatalk claims that gravity has a push component to it,
which is strongest near the equatorial region of a celestial object such
as a star, planet, solar system or galaxy, which explains why orbital equilibrium
is usually only found in planetary rings, solar ecliptics and galactic spirals
as opposed to spheroidal orbital shells. As such, zetatalk states that
as PX approaches the inner solar system, at a distance of 9.1 billion miles
(to be reached the first of March) PX's velocity is gradually slowed and
its trajectory slightly deflected (similar to bringing two similar magnetic
polarity's together). By the time it reaches a distance of 9.53 AUs
it may be travelling faster than .00872 AU/hr., however it may continue to
slow as its gravitational repulsion force increasingly conflicts with the
sun's as the proximity between the two bodies decreases, possibly bringing
it's velocity slightly below that of .005 AU/hr. At an approximate
distance of .04 AU the sun and PX's gravitational pull and repulsion forces
are suppose to balance, keeping PX from slamming into the sun, however PX's
inertial momentum carries it past the sun. where the compressed repulsion
force, overcoming the gravitational pull between the two bodies, provides
sufficient force to accelerate PX out of a stable orbit.
It is also given by zetatalk that PX (which is stated to have a diameter
and mass approx 5x that of the Earth) will continue past the sun in the general
direction of Saggitarius for an approximate distance of 141.84 AUs for roughly
2 years and 3 months before the sun's gravitation pull cancels it's momentum
and velocity. It is said to linger near this "back-end" perihelion,
which is approx. 1/4 the distance of that of sun and the other foci "Nemesis"
for 3 years, 6 months before picking up velocity on it's return trip towards
the sun, making its passage through the inner solar system around 2011-12.
It then continues back towards the Legrange point from where it first
arrived, where the sun and it's dark twin's ("Nemesis") gravitational fields
cancel each other out. It is said to linger there for 1812 years before
repeating the cycle with "Nemesis" serving as the alternate focus.
It would be an interesting exercise to determine what PX velocity would
be required at an approx. distance of .04 AU to achieve the back-end perihelion
described (141.84 AU over a 8 year period). Again, as we are working
with a lot of assumptions and approximate figures here, the best we can probably
hope to achieve is to ballpark our calculations to determine if they fall
within the realm of possibility. There is much to be investigated
here.
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Fellow asks for your comments, please send me a CC
too, or I would be glad to forward for you.
K
Subj: Re: Error? Confusion?
Date: 12/15/02 1:46:23 AM Pacific Standard Time
From: ANON
To:
BARDSQUILL@aol.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)
Hey Kent,
been doing some math Saturday. At 0.04 AU the escape velocity is 210763 m/s,
that is 758747 kph or 0.005 AU/h. If it passes the Sun faster, then it's
bye-bye PX. At that velocity (but falling towards the Sun it accelerates
!! ) it would bridge the gap from Neptune's orbit in (30.06 AU * 150e6 km/AU
/ 758747 km/h) hours is around 247 days. Nine months. So practically speaking
it would have to have been at Neptune's distance out at least one year before
May 2003 in order to ever return again. So there is something not right with
the calculations Sentinel presented. I did of course not incorporate the
drag effects of the Sun, but to my knowledge no quantitative data on that
is available. Can you please submit this to him and ask him what he used
to come to his conclusions?
ANON
----- Original Message -----
From:
BARDSQUILL@aol.com
To: ANON
Sent: Thursday, 12 December, 2002 00:45
Subject: Re: Error? Confusion?
In a message dated 12/11/02 1:55:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Emailerwrites:
Kent,
your page
pxmoons.htm
contains some confusion:
A perihelion of 141.84 AU and a closest approach to the Sun of 0.4-0.5 AU,
that's outright contradictory. Please look at that more closely, one of them
must be wrong.
peri-helion is Greek for 'upon the Sun' or closest to the Sun. And there's
two entirely different values for that.
Regards,
ANON
Beyond me these reckonings, but here is this from the source:
SENTINEL
In the purest application of the terms:
perihelion = approx. .04(AU)
aphelion = 890.44(AU)
But these terms assume our sun (Helios) is the sole gravitational focus of
the orbit or eclipse. If you base your calculations on this false assumption,
then yes, it does not add up.
However, as I understand it, PX´s orbit has two (physical) foci,
Helios and it´s dead twin "Nemesis" for lack of a proper name.
They are approx. 878.6(AU) apart. Nemesis is at an 11 degree incline to the
sun´s ecliptic. At it´s closest approach to the sun
PX comes within .04 - .05(AU) of the sun. However, given it´s
mass and escape velocity of approx. .08(AU/hour) it continues in a relatively
straight vector, instead of curving tightly around the sun near it´s
point of perihelion. At a distance of approx. 141.84(AU)the sun´s
continual attraction/drag on PX´s escape velocity cancels it
sufficiently for it to arc and fall back towards the sun, (the effective
perihelion). It then again comes within about .5 (AU)of the sun on
it´s outward trajectory toward it´s aphelion. It
continues to what should normally be it´s (effective) aphelion
at approx. 374.3 (AU). However, instead of cycling back, the combination
of it´s momentum and "Nemesis´" gravitation attraction
is enough to recapture it after lingering at this Legrange point for a lengthy
period. The cycle then repeats itself, except with Nemesis serving as the
primary focus. It can only be assumed that the perinemeson and apnemeson
would be very similar to the perihelion and aphelion.
Note: In recent news, an expended Saturn rocket booster unexpectedly showed
up in Earth orbit after being in orbit around the sun for several decades.
By late fall it was expected to transfer back into a helioscentric orbit
again after lingering at the Legrange point between the Earth and Sun for
some time. I believe the formula used to calculate this
rocket-booster´s bifocal orbit would be similar to that which
would be used to determine PX´s bifocal orbit.
Kent
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