"So where is the plane?" - Crash flap follow up
geoff@geoffmetcalf.com - wrote:
My column last week, "So where is the plane?"
sparked an unbelievable storm of response. I am
physically unable to respond to the thousands of
e-mails individually, but hopefully this column will
cover most of the bases.
Go here for full story:
http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495&article=21061
Re: So where is the plane? -
geoff@geoffmetcalf.com
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26777
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Subject: Flight 77 -
From: Ed Toner captained@comcast.net
Ret TWA Feb. after 30 years.
ATP B-707, 720, 727, 747, 757, 767 & L-1011.
To:
apfn@apfn.org
http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495&article=21027
I really don't have all the answers to this Flt. 77 thing, but based on
what
I have seen on several web sites of conspiratol nature, I believe in
general
that the question of the aircraft not hitting the Pentagon is
foolish.
The lack of aircraft wreckage - How long AFTER the crash/explosion
were
these photo's taken? Are there no photo's taken immediately after the
crash?
Are there no photo's of the wreckage being carted away? Were there no
human
remains to be found, particularly of PAZ seated in the rear of the
aircraft?
On the lack of a photo of a B-767 A/C just before the strike - Were there
no
eye-witness's who saw this stupendous event/explosion? I would think
that
there were many. How about sky-cams, security cameras, guards,
passerby's
etc.? Have none come foreward?
Personally, I am surprised by the amount of damage caused by this
A/C.
Mostly aluminum, crashing into reinforced concrete devestated the area
where
it hit. How, I wonder. I am not a structural engineer however, and
perhaps
this IS possible. Jet fuel is not particularly volatile, and I would
not
expect an explosion, yet there appears that there was one. We should
be
looking for an answer to this.
I am not at all against conspiracy theories and investigations. In fact I
am
very much interested in these things. For instance, I am quite
convinced
that TWA 800 was not blown up by her own fuel tank. I took a
personal
interest in this one because it is the very A/C that I flew in Sept.
1972
for my B-747 ATP Rating . Many believe it was a missle, but I suspect that
a
bomb was more likely. The nose section seperated from the rest of
the
fuselage at the same frame that PAA did over Lockerbie.
I'll add more if you like, after you examine my comments here, and
respond.
Ed Toner - captained@comcast.net - 3/19/02
ATP B-707, 720, 727, 747, 757, 767 & L-1011.
Ret TWA Feb. 1987 after 30
years.
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"Dick Eastman" - eastman@compwrx.com - wrote:
[snip]
Look again at
http://www.criticalthrash.com/terror/P1010016.JPG
Bosankoe has cropped this shot to the important piece. [I will mail it
to
anyone who asks for the Bosankoe enlargement in the subject section).
This
is the entry point of the impact. Notice the small yellow pillar with the
4
wooden posts. This pillar gives you a scale for the size of the fire
hole
and therefore the size of the plane/missile that hit the Pentagon. At
the
maximum this hole is no more than 3m (10ft), and that's being generous.
The
glow of the fire just show the intensity of heat inside. The only mercy
in
this is the speed at which the personnel inside would have died and
most
would have been knocked unconcious by the blast.
>
> Patrick: The plane hit the ground first, then slid into the building.
If
> the landing wheels were not down and locked, the full height of the
plane
> would extend upwards into the second floor of the building, which is
what
> happened.
[How absurd. If the bottom half of the plane flew through the ground
floor
and the top have plowed through the floor of the second story then we
would
have had a sheared mess -- the top portion would not have proceded
more
than a few yards and the bottom would have gone much further. But if
the
plane did have to travel horizontally through and across the floor then
the
"mountain side" wreckage would be the expected result. But it is not
there.
It did not happen. What really happened is that a fighter jet fired
a
missile ahead of its own impact.
First observe from the security video released by the Defense
Department,
how the attacking jet approached horizontally at first-floor level.
(note
also that this is a fighter jet and that it is firing a missile that
leaves
a white
trail.)
http://www.bosankoe.btinternet.co.uk/pentagon.gif
Now look at these scenes taken from the street straight across the lawn
from
the explosion
:
http://www.criticalthrash.com/terror/P1010015.JPG
How did the plane get past these street lamp
posts?
http://www.criticalthrash.com/terror/P1010016.JPG
Boeing 757 could not have passed between these lamposts as the Defense
Department security video shows that the attacking plane, flying in
horizontally at first-floor level obviously
did.
http://www.criticalthrash.com/terror/P1010017.JPG
--DE]
> Question No 3
>
> The photograph above shows the lawn in front of the damaged
building.
> You'll remember that the aircraft only hit the ground floor of
the
> Pentagon's first ring. Can you find debris of a Boeing 757-200 in
this
> photograph?
>
> Paul: : Yet another leading question ("you'll remember..."), but
one
> looking in the wrong place anyway. At 250 mph, the plane did not stop
at
> the outside of the building. Security camera photos and eyewitness
accounts
> from many credible people, including AP reporter Dave Winslow, agree
that
> the plane completely disappeared into the building. If you've seen
photos
> of airline crashes after the fire is out, they often look more
like
> landfill sites than anything recognizable as having been an
airplane.
There is only one security camera photo and that is what I present
above --
there is talk of a security video taken from a nearby gas station,
but that
is reported to have been taken by the FBI and not released. Yet Paul
speaks
with the implication that he is taking this data into account, isn't he?
(Go look above and see that he does.) This means that the FBI has given
him
what it has not given the news media. Or else, he is blowing smoke
and
talking beyond what he has really investigated. This discredits this
joker
right here for me. --DE]
>
> But since the question more literally asks for a photo showing
airliner
> debris on the lawn, here's one. Here's another.
Those are not recognizable as pieces of a Boeing 757.
[snip]
"Dick Eastman" -
eastman@compwrx.com
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Flight 77 ----
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flight77.htm
Where is flight 77
?
http://www.criticalthrash.com/terror
PACIFICATION OF
PENTAGON
http://www.geocities.com/s911surprise3b/american_airlines_flight_77/
FLIGHT 77: SHOW ME THE
PLANE!
http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495&article=21060
Click here for a blow-up of what the mainstream media claims is a large
passenger plane preparing to smash into the
Pentagon.
http://www.infowars.com/pentagon%20page/index.htm
http://www.infowars.com/pentagon%20page/photos.html#blowup
911 - TERROR IN AMERICAN - PARTS 1 -
4
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC.htm
WHO'S TRULY BEHIND THE ATTACK ON
AMERICA?
http://www.ecologynews.com/cuenews43.html
HIGH-RISE EVACUATION EXPERT QUESTIONS 9.11 DEATH TOLL
by William Thomas
Eamonn O'Brien shakes his head. "There is no way only 3,300 people died
if
those buildings have been fully occupied," he
says.
http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Willthomas/Evac%20Expert/evac.htm
The NWO will be defeated from forces
within
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/nwo_defeated.htm
After you read this you may think twice about
flying!
http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/cosmology/airline.htm
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of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all
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of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy
of the State. â Dr. Joseph M. Goebbels
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Lying to the public is all right, says Washington's chief lawyer
By Mark Helm, in Washington
http://www.smh.com.au/news/0203/20/world/world10.html
`In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary
act.'
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