If you are not aware of Senate Bill 1510 you might want to read this all the way through. Do we still believe a Nazi-like Germany state can't happen in America? Look at what your congressmen are up to, of course, all in the name of "securing us". Uh huh.

It is my firm belief we are living in extraordinary times. In my opinion, We the People need to "breathe life" back into the Constitution, especially the 2nd Amendment. Any able body citizen who cares to, needs to start wearing a gun ( no different than the "old west"). Every community (just like they did in that county in Florida) needs to pass an ordinance to this effect. Gun care and safety can be taught by Sheriff's Departments (in highschools or wherever). In my mind, I agree with the article the military historian wrote...it is up to "We the People" if we are to save America.

Are we to believe the events of 9-11 won't be used to expand the police-state? Our government is telling us there is a 100% probability we will be subject to more and more terrorist attacks. More "security". Word today has it; NATO will be patrolling America's airspace (I've not confirmed that yet, a friend told me Bush made a very quick "public announcement". He heard about it on a Christian radio station).

Let us pay attention to the words of Henry Kissinger, "Today American's would be outraged if UN troops entered into Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond...WHETHER REAL OR PROMULGATED, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing that every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willfully relinquished...guarantees of their well-being guaranteed by their World Government...".

(Quoted from: Henry Kissinger, statement to the Bilderberger organization, Evian, France 5-21-92, from a tape recording by Swiss delegates. ) For those who are not aware, the Bildebergers are and have been covered extensively by the (formerly) "Spotlight" newspaper out of Washington, DC.

I tried to find the specific sections that are mentioned in the article at Rense.com, but they didn't include the Title
or Section number so I really didn't have a good idea which one to look at.

However, after looking through the huge number of titles, I can well believe the article is correct. Here's one I
found. Note: Admiralty and Maritime law and "otherwise inadmissible" evidence.

SEC. 316. ANTI-TERRORIST FORFEITURE PROTECTION.

(a) RIGHT TO CONTEST- An owner of property that is confiscated under any provision of law relating to the confiscation
of assets of suspected international terrorists, may contest that confiscation by filing a claim in the manner set forth
in the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure (Supplemental Rules for Certain Admiralty and Maritime Claims), and asserting as
an affirmative defense that--

(1) the property is not subject to confiscation under such provision of law; or

(2) the innocent owner provisions of section 983(d) of title 18, United States Code, apply to the case.

(b) EVIDENCE- In considering a claim filed under this section, the Government may rely on evidence that is otherwise
inadmissible under the Federal Rules of Evidence, if a court determines that such reliance is necessary to protect the
national security interests of the United States.

S 1510 titles, subtitles, and sections can be seen here (if this link will work) with links at each one to the text.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c107:2:./temp/~c107Z1f945::

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Senate Terrorist Bill Blasted -
'Worse Than 1790 Sedition Laws'
From Kerry

10-9-1

Note: U.S. Government agencies will be able to seize assets of citizens, 501C3 and other organizations and their members
without ever disclosing the evidence against their property. Government need only allege that disclosing such evidence
may compromise National security and/or an ongoing investigation.

STILL THINK YOUR GOOD OLD BOY IN OFFICE IS ON YOUR SIDE?

This is worse legislation than the Sedition Laws of the 1790's, later declared unconstitutional and leading to the end
of John Adams' presidency. Land of the (formerly) free ??

Better contact your senators on this one...

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Consider these items in the new Senate Terrorist Bill 1510:

"MONEY LAUNDERING ABATEMENT AND ANTI-TERRORIST FINANCING ACT OF 2001"

Political Activists and Demonstrators should Zero in on S.1510. The bill's provisions can be used to eradicate public
dissent - - and you!

Under Senate Bill 1510, now being considered in the Senate as an Anti-terrorism act:

a.. An entire 501C3 organization or other organization, including its members, can have their assets seized for
supporting bodily acts or international causes that the U.S. Secretary of State may deem terrorist activity. Political
activities that were legal prior to S.1510 may "RETROACTIVELY" be deemed terrorist activity by U.S. Government.
Participants and supporters may be charged with terrorist and other offenses.

If you want to read this bill for yourself, go to http://thomas.loc.gov/, to the 107th Congress, and Senate Bill 1510.

(2). S.1510 "RETROACTIVELY" abolishes the "Statue of Limitations" for many past offenses where no one was injured. After
passage of S.1510, any past offense that can be broadly alleged to have put someone "at risk" may be used by federal and
state prosecutors to charge a citizen with a terrorist act - even 30 years after the Statute of Limitations period had
already passed. Government will have no difficulty manufacturing evidence to prosecute citizens once Constitutional
safeguards against passing Retroactive Laws are abolished after passage of S.1510.

(3) No "innocent owner defense" allowed against Asset Forfeiture when, after passage of S 1510, U.S. Government agencies
will be able to seize assets of citizens, 501C3 and other organizations and their members without ever disclosing the
evidence against their property. Government need only allege that disclosing such evidence may compromise National
security and/or an ongoing investigation. S 1510 provides for paying "unnamed informants huge rewards" resulting from
arrests and forfeited assets. It is hard to believe any organization or citizen could ever recover their assets once
they are seized by a government agency in the name of National Security. That may include a citizen's home in which an
informant secretly alleges someone said the wrong thing.

(4) "D Below" is from the Senate Bill 1510.

So much for trusting attorneys!

"(d) UNDERCOVER ACTIVITIES- Notwithstanding any provision of State law, including disciplinary rules, statutes,
regulations, constitutional provisions, or case law, a Government attorney may, for the purpose of enforcing Federal
law, provide legal advice, authorization, concurrence, direction, or supervision on conducting undercover activities,
and any attorney employed as an investigator or other law enforcement agent by the Department of Justice who is not
authorized to represent the United States in criminal or civil law enforcement litigation or to supervise such
proceedings may participate in such activities, even though such activities may require the use of deceit or
misrepresentation, where such activities are consistent with Federal law.

(e) ADMISSIBILITY OF EVIDENCE- No violation of any disciplinary, ethical, or professional conduct rule shall be
construed to permit the exclusion of otherwise admissible evidence in any Federal criminal proceedings".

This bill is similar to the one Adolf Hitler pushed through the Reichstag after the Reichstag fire in the early 1930's.
German Jews, horrified by the chaos in Germany after the fire, supported Hitler's legislation - then found he could (and
planned to) use it against them.

This is worse legislation than the Sedition Laws of the 1790's, later declared unconstitutional and leading to the end
of John Adams' presidency.

Understand! Under the law as now written, you and anyone connected with any organization - 501(c)(3), church, Rotary,
any organization - can be snagged under this legislation. Lifting the Statute of Limitations means that you could have
your home and other assets seized if you were a member of an organization that supported, for example, Leonard Peltier,
or sent food or medicine to Cuba, or even protested against nukes in the '60s - and the U.S.G. decided that that
organization was then or is now in any way associated with someone or some organization that is somehow connected to a
"terrorist organization."

Of course, it will be said that that is highly unlikely to happen if you keep your nose clean - and don't give financial
or other support to any suspect organization.

There are thousands of people in our prisons now, put there by the testimony of paid/"rewarded" informers. All it takes
is for some such person to provide "testimony" that the ACLU or the Sierra Club or Pastors for Peace, or other
organization is "supporting" terrorists. Or maybe some member of such an organization does provide support to a
terrorist: all members are liable to imprisonment and seizure of their assets.

Who, under a law like that, is going to give funding to any 501(c)(3) organization or any other actionist group - even
for work with rehabilitating prisoners or drug addicts, or providing housing for the poor?

If this law passes in this form, kiss protest - by letter or demonstration - and democracy goodbye!

Go to http://www.senate.gov/ and send a note to your Senators and tell them to kill this bastard before it becomes law. At least
to amend the damn thing!

And please forward this (or your own) message to EVERYONE on your e-mail list.

May God protect what democracy we have left.

Charles

P.S. If you want to read this bill for yourself, go to http://thomas.loc.gov/, to the 107th Congress, and Senate Bill
1510.

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