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EDITOR: debate boils down to which came first the chicken or the egg? Did the collapse of the South tower cause a mushroom-shaped plume to appear remotely near building 6 or 7, or did a detonation at 6-7 [possibly a pulsed blast at a precise harmonic frequency] do a death-knell to the weakened towers? In recap to the diverse comments below the questions here remain:

A. The immense plume happened we think prior, maybe only seconds, to the collapse of the first or south tower. Seismic: 560_COX.GIF

B. Even if the South tower was beginning to collapse [at 9:59] I still wonder why such a compression plume would burst up so remotely rather than ring-around the actual base in a tighter circumference to the South tower?

D. Even if the South tower were indeed beginning to implode and telescope downward It would like the North tower would act as a barricade to block the flow of any smoke and debris.

E. Also the plume burst up so suddenly and vertically from a most specific territory.

F. Amazingly the location of the plume corresponds on the recon sat map with the most pronounced crater of the entire area of destruction.

F. In my timeline reckoning the WTC residents were still successfully leaving the main towers, at least the North tower, at the time of this most specific and seemingly isolated and well-defined event. Would not a compression event as expressed so profoundly in the designated plume have had more effect on the overall evacuation ordeal? MOST IMPORTANT See this Kronos sat aerial and red location circle indicating the location of the plume: wtclayout.html More comments

Collapsing towers caused seismic shock

Note: BBC pulled this file. Saved here if needed for research.

The south tower goes just before 1430 GMT

[Resonant frequency was supposedly 10hz] NOTES

Collapsing towers caused seismic shock However, the seismic signals from the five events on 11 September differed from a small earthquake in significant ways. They were richer in low-frequency energy and poorer in high-frequency energy.

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EDITOR'S BASIC ONGOING AND UNEASY QUESTION: What happened here?

What occurs to me after looking at the seismic record....as one who read a seismic record every morning....is that its very difficult to tell what exactly the time duration was between the first and second spikes....as a rule each one of those marks should have been a minute and there should be 60 mm between the two marks, therefore my measuring with a ruler you can determine the number of seconds between the two. There are two types of seismic waves P and S waves. P waves or compressional waves are the faster of the two types of waves.... S waves or shear waves travel between 50 an 70% of that speed...alot of that has to do with the type of geologic structures that are in the ground.....and can vary significantly within a very short distance especially within the presence of water. As a general rule of thumb you can pretty much equate the difference in traveling speeds to roughly 4 - 6 miles per second by looking atthe seismograph record it looks like between 3 and 4 seconds had elapsed which is very consistent with a travel distance of about 20 miles.....

In the blink of an eye, electromagnetic bombs could throw civilization back 200 years. And terrorists can build them for $400.

I haven't seen anyone broach the subject of Scalar Weapons involvement in the WTC Collapse. It would make sense that such involvement was possible except that it would also mean the involvement of entities who have this technology. This would lead to suspicion of World Powers beyond the likes of Lee Harvey Bin Laden or John Wilkes Hussein. According to the preeminent expert on such matters, and you know who I mean, the Yakuza and the Aum have, at some point, rented the Russian Woodpecker for $900 million in gold bullion.

In deference to the good Dr.and ret. Lt. Col., for whom I have the utmost respect, I am not going to provide any links at this point because many of your dedicated readers are already aware of the good works of the aforementioned good Dr.

However, I asked him, via e-mail on the day of Infamy, if he thought there was any Scalar involvement in the WTC incident and his response was noncommittal. I consider his response to reflect an unwillingness to engage in fingerpointing for such an atrocious event. He is to be commended for his restraint under such circumstances.

However, considering the questions that have arisen about the true nature of the destruction of the WTC Towers, as well as the surrounding buildings, and considering the anomalous appearance of unexplained phenomena in the video captured from mainstream news media, there are many unanswered questions which could hypothetically be answered if Scalar Technology was possibly used in conjunction with the airliner disasters and reported possibly planted explosives.

My personal theory is that the World Powers who have commanded Scalar technology, are now holding us hostage and that the collapse of the WTC Towers was a disguised exhibition of their capabilities. I hope I am wrong and have no claim to any inside information.

If I am indeed right, I would expect that bridges, buildings and tunnels may fail in the near future without benefit of any explosives in evidence due to the use of Scalar Weapons, the true Weapons of Mass Destruction of the 21st century. If so,Tesla was right and so was former Defense Secretary William Cohen.

If may just come in here for a moment,,,I am reliably informed that two points are open for thought, regarding the tower collapse...... all cellular phones went dead near the buildings for a moment or two.....and a number of buildings near the towers suffered great structural damaged....flooding many of the underground systems....so much damage around the site....and given the radioblack out..one might be tempted to suggest a bomb with intense neutron output..?

The suggestion was it was a neutron bomb. Trust me. You are far more neutron fragile than a transistor. My last years in the business before I retired I did radiation hardness and susceptibility. And destroyed junctions don't come back on. The duration of the pulse is always short in a device, but the particle fluence is astronomical.

This is not Oklahoma. If you smell a rat there it is because it was a coverup. This was 2 planes full of fuel and some VERY tall buildings. No nukes, no sci fi weapons, just gravity and fire.

"So that is one simple but powerful weapon using a simple 'jerk' in local flow of time. It is accomplished by creating a burst of time-polarized EM waves in that area. IMAGINE WHAT SUCH A WEAPON WOULD DO TO THE GREATER NEW YORK CITY COMPLEX, E.G., IN A LARGER VERSION."

"Remember Captain Button, flying his A-10 Warthog toward the range, suddenly peeled away from his companions and flew off cross country for over an hour? He ignored all radio messages, circled at one point (probably dropped his ordnance there), then flew until he crashed into the side of a mountain and was killed.

"That was a deliberate test in the mid-U.S. to demonstrate that a human could be controlled for one hour, while doing a technical set of tasks (flying an airplane), in a hypnogogic state, successfully. The test was a total success. "

It also confirms the probability of holographic images of Maietreya to come -- Blue Beam

"So if you make time-polarized EM waves and develop the technology, all mind-functions are thus available for targeting and change, in the T-dimension where they reside and occur and function. You can insert images, thoughts, emotions, whatever. Anything the mind does, can be externally inserted or changed.

You are leading the way, Kent. I, for one, thank you very very much. I hope you can keep up the great work, but I fear you may be in danger. The powers that be surely do not want us to know!

CHAOSMAN VIDEO DEBATE

9/14/01 12:35:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time

Chaosman

I've been following your notes throughout the week and feel I have something substantial too add. While going over some of the footage I had taped on a Tivo recorder, a clip caught my attention that hasn't been noticed by anyone. A shot from the top of a building looking south shows both towers burning and still standing. Then in the lower left of the screen, at ground level quite a distance from the base of the towers a completely separate building collapses in a huge dust cloud. I repeat, this is before the collapse of the towers. more

9/16/01 10:20:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time

Chaosman

I have used an s-video connection from my recorder directly to my camera and have them saved on memory stick.

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9:45 AM

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This link is to the Dallas NBC affiliate -- which on Saturday WAS RECOMMENDED for viewing by MSNBC.

I should have copied it then, but didn't. Naive, huh? Several times yesterday and again this morning, I have tried to access the site but cannot get the video to load. So, yes, the exploding smaller building DID explode. Anybody know what building it was? Maybe someone else will have better luck getting it load. Maybe Sleuth in Dallas taped it? Just a thought...

To me, it looks as though one tower had already begun collapsing and was nearly down. The plume on the left is nothing more than dust channeled against another building that forced it up along it's outer wall. Without verification from eyewitnesses at the site, this photo means absolutely nothing except sensationalism.

The fires in the towers were not low enough to produce smoke at the level seen at the right of the tower that is clearly visible well below the roofs of surrounding buildings. You cannot see the second tower because of the smoke and the smoke would NOT be that low if it was still standing. Logic dictates that the tower is not there. Furthermore, The latest satellite photos clearly show that the building in question is still standing.

The theory that a separate building collapsed before either of the towers is completely bunk.

The images that you have of what looks like an explosion at the WTC just might be in line with this object caught on tape...????

BARDSQUILL: well this dude rather angrily suggests that the first tower was already in partial collapse and the smoke was washing up like a wave, hmmmmmmmm, only thing is I see both tower tops still present. Whole damn thing is complicated by the angle.

CORESEARCHER7: i did notice that there appears to be some dust rising behind the towers and had initially thought that the one tower was on the way down...but the other explosion is quite removed...seems to me that the smoke/dust clouds are not directly related...

BARDSQUILL: Closest photo I could find to verify the overlap wtcview.jpg but more to starboard view. The two towers seem to in fact overlap but question is, is the back tower already half down?

I read with great interest the notes on the apparent extra building collapse before the WTC collapse. I don't know if it will help, but here is a picture taken from the Kronos satellite. I know nothing about Manhattan, but it looks like there are several buildings that are no longer there. If you can, let me know if this helps.

The south tower collapsed first didn't it? That means either a piece the south tower or some kinda serpenty debris-snake would have had to wander around the north tower making a sharp turn to the right and then hit that big old black bldg and puff straight up. Aerial view crater show big ol blast, in fact two of them eventually, two craters!

EDITOR: ANOTHER VIEW AS SOUTH TOWER BEGINS TO COLLAPSE. Hmmm, looks very near in timing to above. Again, are we seeing a compression effect, or has the blast at building 7 started to bring the South Tower down? Very, VERY, close call.

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Date: 9/22/01 4:48:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time

I found this .jpg titled "New Explosion in WTC" from CNN shows extremely dense smoke cloud - arguably it could be claimed its from WTC 2 collapsing - so why did CNN label it explosion" unless the building was blown up from lower down causing it to collapse? . . .still searching for additional data to verify

http://www.watership.org/media/images/K31.JPG

I was looking at the footage you have and I think this analysis is on the wrong footage. This looks more like footage of the collpase than the footage of the second plane hitting. The smoke in the footage goes downward, which is what happened in the collapse. When the second plane hit the smoke went upward immediately and never downward toward the base. When the first collpase happened all that dust went every where. I just think it is a analysis of the wrong footage.

The damaged New York Telephone building (lower left) stands across from the remnants of Six World Trade Center (right)

Watch aerial views of the World Trade Center site, taken from a U.S. Coast Guard helicopter (September 16)

Kent, there are five very CLEAR .jpgs on this web page -- each one giving a closer image of the BLAST damage. I have no questions now as to the causes of this horrific war that has been declared and by whom. Scroll down through each successive photo -- the evidence is clear. I am writing my report and will send to you. As one SLEUTH wrote you, s/he was afraid we were missing something that had happened right under our noses. A truer statement could not have been written. Now we get the picture: It's utterly and despicably evil. . . http://infowarrior.org/terror/wtczoom.html

Your video clip is of the South Tower falling and their is only one Tower standing in your video clip. Again, having my unique vantage point, this conspiracy theory is all wrong. The camera angle is from the Northeast looking south at an angle to the WTC. You are viewing the WTC at an angle, the white you think is the gap between the buildings is actually the Northeast corner, of the North Tower. The camera angle and the North Tower obscure the view, with the North Tower physically barricading the debris as the South Tower falls in the video. I looked at and walked through the WTC nearly every day for last 15 years, and the gap (and the concourse) between the two Towers was nearly a city block, which is much larger than your imaginary gap in the video.

-North Tower is hit by jet from the north, literally coming down Broadway, high up the Tower on the 85th floor (the remaining building in your video).

-South Tower gets hit from the southeast hitting the building in its lower half.

-South Tower falls first (what you see in your clip) because the angle and height of collision cause more structural damage.

As an eyewitness, the images are burned into my mind, and is something that will be with me for the rest of my days.

Aircraft carriers have jet fuel fires on them all the time. The ships do not sink. In 1968 the Kitty Hawk had every plane on it-loaded with missiles and bombs- explode and burn. The holes in the flight deck were from the bombs.

The fire itself did not melt the steel. The ship looked like Swiss cheese from the bombs but the fires never melted the steel and it stayed afloat.

I am trying to pinpoint the exact times/dates each building collapsed with corroborating evidence.

Yes, indeed, mighty strange stuff -- you're absolutely correct -- we've stepped through some kind of time warp because this can't be real. Buildings don't act like this unless they've been blown up. Grisly to note, but also notice the report that so few bodies are being found intact. Mostly body parts. Somebody with a tougher heart can explain that one. I can't because it makes me cry.

Dear Kent, Regarding the video off the dust mushroom cloud......I think that this footage is right at the moment of collapse . If you concentrate on the second tower in the background you will see smoke at and descending to its base. There was no fire that low so what I believe is , if you remember when the top section fell to the section below the crash entry site and the powdery plume that first emerged and fell kind of like a fire work ;those pretty ones that look like willow trees =).....I have theory that the plan of this attack as far as the engineering is concerned was as is being reported to create the massive heat by the plane fuel and impact on the city side of each tower to make malleable the metals in the outer structure that are the key point to stability in that particular design. I don't believe that this was in and off itself what made the towers fall. I believe that set off charges at the base of each tower and were intending to jolt the building and cause the quick and uniform vibration that would cause all four corner supports to fail and lets say snap under the immense weight of the floors above the failure and given their highly weakened state . As the engineers have noted it would just go down floor upon floor nice and demolition like destroying all or most of the towers. Just a thought that that cloud might be one of those charges

I've been looking at the animated GIF of the explosion again and again. And now I see clearly that there is only one tower visible! Not one half left and one half right. The antenna is in the middle of one tower! Look at the building in the foreground with the pyramidal top. Compare with the foto! You look nearly exactly at the edge of the tower! You can see the holes in the upper part left and right of ONE tower! Compare! The collapsing tower is nearly exactly behind the visible tower. That's all.

EDITOR IN RESPONSE: I think I drew my blue line in the wrong place, prompted from email, I misunderstood, so I removed the line which actually indicated the nearest corner of the closest [North, I think] tower. From the angle I do believe the second tower is behind [I think south tower]. Not sure, so busy with general reports that I have to toss these detailed investigations out to you all. Thanks, so much for your help.Kent

KENT I HAVE BEEN PUZZLING OVER THE COMMENTS AND THE PICTURES WITH THE HUGE CLOUD PLUME RISING TO THE LEFT. COULD NOT UNDERSTAND THE DEBATE. NOW I DO.

SEEMS SOME PEOPLE WHO DID NOT SEE THE VIDEO THINK THAT THE PICTURE SHOWS ONLY ONE TOWER AND IT IS THE ONE BEHIND IT ALREADY FALLING THAT IS KICKING UP THE CLOUD. MAKES GOOD SENSE.

HOWEVER, I SAW THE WHOLE VIDEO CLIP AND THE LEFT PART OF THE INTACT TOWER FELL AND YOU COULD SEE IT FALLING AFTER AND I REPEAT AFTER THE CLOUD FROM THE BOTTOM ROSE UP AND MET THE SMOKE FROM THE TOWERS. THIS IS WHAT RAISED MY CONCERNS AT THE TIME AS I SAID " WHAT THE HELL IS THAT".

REMEMBER KENT, THESE IMAGES ARE BURNT INTO THE BRAIN NEVER TO BE FORGOTTEN. THIS IS NOT A SCIENTIFIC DEBATE. MULLING OVER ARCHIVE PICTURES. THIS IS A HEARTFELT RESPONSE TO DISASTER. ALSO BARE IN MIND THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SENT TO THE GALLOWS SOLELY ON EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY. THE WHOLE LEGAL SYSTEM IS BASED UPON EVIDENCE OF PEOPLES OWN EYES.

Hiya, Kent! I think I might have found a possible solution to that explosion on the ground just before the towers collapsed. I found this pic(0114) at a site called "The Power Hour" co-owned by a Joyce Riley. I got there thru a twisted route thru quite a few different sites yesterday. I tried to go straight there today, but my computer seems to not work right for that site(?). I'm sure I got to it thru RumorMill News. I can't get there today, tho. If I can make this computer mind me I'm sending the pic as an attachment.

Greetings, All:n These are new, still and moving images of the WTC UFO, taken from a number of different cameras and camera angles. Scroll down to the stunning moving images near the bottom:

While some are already claiming these images are hoaxed, I have seen absolutely no convincing evidence, of any kind, to this effect, rather, if these images are real, someone, somewhere, has a great deal of explaining to do. I rather strongly doubt anyone, anywhere, could be motivated to hoax these images.

I suggest we all start asking some very serious questions about them, starting with some of those good folks down at the Pentagon. Once again, our mainstream news media have failed us all miserably, and this time, during a deepening, planetary crisis.

Kent, Just got back from NYC evaluating damage to the offices in WTC building #7. The previously unidentified object seen by many of your readers is actually one of the engines from the plane at the second impact, not a missle.

The red line showing that path of the object in the picture on the site is just incorrect.

I realize that I am an unknown to your group, and therefore not necessarily a trusted source. Just do some checking and you will find that the object (engine) is still reasonably intact underneath CSFB's offices in building seven at the bottom of the hole it created upon entry.

The access to the site was extremely limited, so I can only comment on building 7. The entire substructure collapsed, which is what caused the building to go. The 4 stories of floors below 5, 6 and 7 are actually 8 stories deep. That's what caused the craters.

KENT: JUST READ THE CLAIM THAT THE MISSILE IS AN ENGINE FROM THE SECOND PLANE. IF THIS IS SO, IT GOT THE ELEVATOR TO THE FLOOR, TAXIED ACROSS TO THE FIRST BUILDING HIT, UP THE ELEVATOR AND LAUNCHED ITSELF FROM THE BUILDING JUST SECONDS AFTER THE SECOND PLANE HIT.

THE JAPANESE TAPE SHOWS WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE A BIRD FLYING CLOSE TO THE CAMERA ACROSS THE LINE OF SIGHT. HOWEVER THIS DISTRACTS YOU FROM THE TOWER. AS THE BIRD PASSES IT GREAT BLACK CLOUDS EJECT FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE BUILDING JUST ABOVE THE SKYLINE. A MAJOR EXPLOSION OCCURRED THERE.

Dear Kent, here are some photos 2 as published in a german newspaper. Closely pay attention to the series of the collapse of the building...Both buildings collapsed inward. Following your line of thought, and much speaks for it, T2 should NOT! have imploded and pancaked - no way! But it did...How? Interestingly enough, the day after, only three piles of rubble are burning T1,2 & 7.

The picture you have up on your site depicting a supposed early blast taking place before the collapse of the first WTC tower, I think is misleading. (see attached file)

First of all, only one tower is visible, not both. We are looking at the complex from a 3/4 view, so we see two sides of the tower closest to the camera, the first to be struck. We clearly see the two of the holes created by that first blast on either of the facing sides (the blast created similar holes, I believe, on all four sides). The smoke from the fires in the south tower no longer are billowing from an upper level source, but are clearly coming from a now much lower source (right side of the visible tower) indicating its collapse. (sorry for the typo on the graphic there...)

I might add that while watching MSNBC at the moment of the first collapse, the initial account was that there had been an explosion 'midway up' the south tower. It was corrected soon after by reports of its collapse creating a billowing effect of debris, as well as the top section of the tower's tilting collapse and fall to the street below.

Hope that helps you... If there was an early blast that lead to the towers collapse, it is not depicted in these shots... in my opinion.

Kent, just observed the Fox 'mystery object video'. It is either real or a damn good hoax. I looked at the video closely image by image. You can actually see the object (or its shadow) pass in front of the right upper corner of the 'exploding' South Tower, about one second before the object appears in front of the sky to the right!

It is impossible to see what this is, but I wouldn't dare to rule out a missile from a fighter jet.

The discussion about the image on your website (taken from the CNN feed) showing an "earlier" explosion adjacent to the WTC is misleading and, to put it bluntly, wrong. If you examine the image, you will see the south tower (WTC 2) has in fact just collapsed, despite the claim to the contrary. The supposed "explosion" to the left of the WTC is nothing more than the debris cloud emerging from one of the "canyons" (city streets) adjacent to the WTC. This CNN image is taken looking to the south (based solely on the sun angle at approx. 9:30 am), with the north tower (WTC 1) blocking the view of WTC 2 - or rather, where WTC 2 used to stand. To the right (west) of WTC 1 which is still upright, you will note a dust/debris cloud extending downward, well below the location where the planes impacted (60th floor and above). Since the smoke from the jet fuel explosions and subsequent fire was only going upward, this "smoke" seen in the image is clearly a debris cloud from WTC 2's collapse.

I don't personally subscribe to the theories (i.e. wild speculation) about additional primary or secondary explosive devices in or around the WTC. Speaking as a civil engineer, the two plane-bombs and subsequent inferno were more than enough to do the damage everyone so horrifically witnessed - believe me. These people are all barking up the wrong tree. If there is a conspiracy in all of this, people should be once again digging into the TWA 800 and Egypt Air crashes. I have ALWAYS believed these to be terrorist-related, more so now than ever. Oklahoma City is also now again in question, to me. My proposition on all of this is that IF (big IF) the government tried to conceal and shield the American public from the notion of "terrorism on our soil" (the only logical explanation in my eyes for a TWA 800 cover-up), then they may have only forced the perpetrators into much more devious, destruction, malicious acts to get their point across. Notice how former G-Man, now talking head James Kallstrom appeared out of the woodwork yet again during this latest disaster??? That was the kicker as far as I was concerned. That simple fact ties WTC to TWA800, like it or not - once a good soldier, always a good soldier...

Really haven't taken the "explosion" at the bottom of the tower (video capture by Chaosman) too much thought. Figured it might be some residual rising from ground level as the top of the tower began to collapse. However, after looking at the photo in "What happened here" - well, my mind is agog.

Something is amiss here, definitely. Need to meditate on that photo for awhile. But you are right. What happened in that area circled in red. Unreal!!!

Kent, An acquaintance of mine's son is one of the physicians who assisted the wounded on Monday. He was caring for a dying firefighter who's last words were that he and others who were with him, who died, saw men strapped with explosives running towards and into the buildings.

Kent, I received this from a friend yesterday (full email attached; names deleted) about a personal escape from Tower I. This has not published anywhere -- it is a personal account of a friend of my friend. I've deleted names because I'm sure these people don't need any more trouble than they've already got and I just think putting their names on a public website could invite trouble for them. more

Kent, Concerning your last post about the people strapped with explosives. I was watching the footage with a keen eye while reviewing last night and something struck me as very strange. A series of events unfold in minutes with strange consequences. First, a camera and reporter close to the scene, live, and coughing, all before the tower collapse. The HQ regains contact and goes live to the scene. The place is full of FBI or whoever they were and you could tell that the correspondent in the field was damn well aware not to approach or question these officials. NYFD/NYPD running from the scene and government officials running in. Remind you that it is total "chaos" on the scene. EMT's, police, firemen all willing to tell you what they saw and heard while covered in dust. All saying that first there was a big explosion and then the building collapsed. Then he suddenly finds a "policeman" to interview, out of breath, willing to talk, speaking of what just happened and how he was right there in the thick of things but what struck me as weird was the fact he was CLEAN.

I also have to note that during all of these interviews, early on, the video of them plays but audio is muffled. The audio kicks in only when the people speak of the building collapse, while during the muffled portion you can tell by the hand gestures that the are trying to speak of a blast that blew sideways. Then a policeman covered in dust wearing his bp vest denies an interview and hustles on to safety. The camera follows him as he goes, then suddenly and man comes into the frame running full blast towards the scene, the cop even takes notice, and the camera beginning to follow the runner. My very first impression was that this doesn't look right, the image immediately made me think of images you would see of a palestinian throwing rocks, because he was wearing some type of headdress. He keeps running and he is out of frame for a second than appears behind the correspondent stops, notices he on camera and gives a wave or hand gesture and continues on. End of sequence. I'll send photos to back up these events.

Kent: I just sent this to PsyOp News in respose to an article they just posted today. I thought you might be interested.

I just read you analysis of the WTC attack. I am open to the idea that internal charges were prepositioned in the towers, I am convinced that such was the case in the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma. However, I think you argument is weak on a couple of points.

First, there is a good reason why the second tower struck should be the first to collapse. The second tower was struck at a lower level, thus, the damaged structure was supporting perhaps twice the load as the first which was struck higher. Therefore, the second tower hit would have to be weakened less than the first in order to begin collapsing.

Second, more than kerosene (jet fuel) and building contents was burning. Aircraft are constructed from aluminum and magnesium, both metals burn readily and at extremely high temperature. Further, the burning metals are nearly impossible to extinguish. Putting water on them only makes the fire burn hotter. There were thousands of pounds of these metals thrust into the buildings, burning and being sprayed with water. This would hasten the weakening of the building structure.

If charges had been placed, I think the most logical place would be the internal building supports for three reasons:

1) The aircraft strike would most likely do most of its damage to the external supports. Taking out the internal supports also would increase the likelihood of collapse.

2) The explosion of the hypothetical charges would not be seen by outside observers.

3) The placement of any internal charges would not need to coincide exactly with the location of the aircraft hit, they would just need to be reasonably close because of reason #2.

Again, I do not doubt the possibility that internal charges were placed and set off. However, harder evidence will be necessary to prove it.

There is another question which has come up which few are discussing. Apparently, a building collapsed or exploded BEFORE the collapse of either tower. Look at this animation, note the plume of smoke rising to the left of the STILL STANDING TOWERS, only seconds after the second hit:

Here is a view above the carnage showing the camera angle and the building in question. Note that of all the collapsed buildings, it is the farthest from the towers:

Finally, the object which most likely brought the building down, note that it is not debris from the airliner strike an it has a straight line trajectory which is consistant in direction to the building in question. The object's speed could be calculated since each frame represents 1/30 second:

I am about 90% convinced that a US warplane shot an air to air missile at flight 175. The missile did not reach its target in time, overshot and hit the building in question. IF this is so, why doesn't the government come clean and admit it? Yes, it is a terrible thing but understandable considering the circumstances. Had the missile found its mark in time, there would still have been death and destruction but less, and the one tower would still be standing. I see no reason why the American people could not forgive this action if the government would just tell the truth. Or is even that beyond their ability anymore? This is an important issue and needs to be investigated and brought to the fore.

Kent, just thought I'd let you know that I have a close relative who produces a local news show on a station affiliated with a national news network. He was working when the first raw footage came in on the wires after the first plane hit. He said that in the very first reports he saw (before anything was censored, edited and put on national television) there was at least one report of a bomb or bombs in the lower part of the building. After that, nothing about it, and he couldn't understand why. I tried to explain it to him......

The Attack then the third one down"9/11/01 East Angle - Second plane hits tower"

Play that one and observe the video of what you have on you site in stills. Kent, I believe that they have cropped the impact of whatever that was. You can see something on the right side of the picture for a split. Then that is all.

Now rotate the tower in the picture of "Exploding 3rd tower while both of the WTC towers stand. It looks like the result of the first film showing the dark object. I have played it a lot. It looks like a particle beam--it is fast!! The beam passes in front of the upper left smoke, and becomes visible from BEHIND the first hit tower.

This was not a bogie, but one of many traffic helicopters that fly up and down the corridor reporting the traffic patterns. After all it was morning rush. I had the personal the misfortune of having the best view of the events from our Jersey City office.

Hello I took these shots from CNN right off the tape they were running on TV. I noticed how the plane kept changing shape, how the front of the plane looked different in the air all around the plane are glowing balls of light; spheres on the buildings also after the plane enters the building waiting on the other side of the building is this object hovering in the sky . It is not a helicopter!

1) The day of the attacks, george stephanopoulis(?) was speaking with peter jennings or tom brokaw on a radio broadcast, and made a comment where he referred to the TWA800 tragedy as the TWA '*ombing'! He was describing the times he and the clintoons were scurried off to safe havens, like the OKC *ombing, the WTC *ombing and the TWA *OMBING! His guard was down and he was speaking off the cuff and said it in perfect rhythm. I thought the TWA tragedy had not been solved. Hmmm....

2) On fox news, on the evening of 9/19, they were interviewing a survivor who, after escaping the building, said he heard a bl*st, about 20 stories up, and then the building fell. The interviewer, I believe it was Sheperd Smith, asked again, what the man heard, and again stated he heard a bl*st about 20 stories before he saw the building fall. The interview continued and no discussion of the 'bl*st' was ever started.

If anyone has seen or heard these 2 events, please verify my account. Seems like there are many things not yet disclosed, maybe to keep the sheeple from completed freaking out.

The article is about a woman from the Thailand board of investments who is recovering from severe burns to her body. She was in the lobby of WTC Tower 1 when they (her and her husband) "heard and explosion and saw smoke from the elevator. She ran from the building, aware that her arms and legs were covered with flames,then fell, immobilized by a leg injury."

Now my question. How could she be covered by flames and have a leg injury when the plane had crashed into the tower 100 stories above? It took quite some time for the building to collapse and the flames to get down to the lobby.

Sounds to me like a coordinated attack with explosives set off in the lobby level to prevent people from exiting the building. I hope the story given by other survivors sheds more light on the tragedy.

Kent, I just got unsolicited confirmation of a strike on what appears to be building 7. The FoxNews film DOES show something "winging" into building seven--it also shows an effort to minimize the picture on the right of the screen while maintaining the view of the second plane-this appears to prevent showing the building growing from the explosion--WATCH CAREFULLY

A friend just called me and said that he left his work and came outside after #1 and saw #2 fly into the building, then HE SAW THE ACTUAL STRIKE OF BUILDING 7. He said he kept waiting on the news to show the THIRD strike. He saw -------"...A DARK OBJECT strike building #7", the THIRD strike, and saw it explode!

AGAIN, HE KEPT WAITING FOR THE NEWS TO SHOW THE THIRD STRIKE way away FROM THE other TWO TOWERS!!!!!!!

Kent, do you think it possible, that the terrorists (whomever they might be?) commandeered some SMART BOMBS also while the FBI and CIA were asleep? ;-)

Play the FoxNews over and over--somebody was helping in the destruction of the "TRADE CENTER COMPLEX".

The following text I found on a the following website http://www.truinsight.com/911%20AMEIRCA%20IN%20DISTRESS.htm. It's a pretty long page, but worth looking into. The text portion I copied is about three quarter scrolled down. This guy has done some impressive research on prophecy as contained in biblical texts. His name is Stewart C. Best.

"Then we have, according to reports, a group of experts in construction who watched the videos of the WTC buildings as they collapsed straight down - and they all claimed the buildings were IMPLODED, by EXPLOSIVE CHARGES set to go off some time after the buildings were hit by the aircraft. Now buildings never collapse in that manner under normal circumstances.These men were professional structural engineers and architects - and, according to the same reports, a highly placed intelligence source suggested those explosives were placed well before the attack. An eye-witness on CNN who escaped claimed he heard a whole series of explosions and then the second tower collapsed in on itself.

When watching the event myself, BEFORE the first tower collapsed, there was a large explosion to the left on the TV screen and a huge cloud of gray smoke and dust arose to at least the 50th floor of the nearest tower. I remarked to my wife "what is that? Something just blew up!". Was this the start of the implosion, or was the Building 7 imploded FIRST, and was the FIRST to go down? This bit of video soon vanished from CNN as was not seen again. The smoke rose for some time before the FIRST TOWER started to implode. Something is very wrong here.

Then we have a friend who called us who studies financial records intently and discovered that the holders of the paper behind the WTC had just suffered a 28 billion dollar loss in investments - and that they were large investors of many insurance companies. If the word got out, it might have brought the whole system down. He said his brother, I believe, worked as a NYC fireman, and he said they knew it was an "inside job". They knew the buildings had been "imploded" by expertly placed explosive charges to bring the building down. The man who engineered that building, said on CNN that he had designed it to take a direct hit from a Boeing 707 jetliner and would not knock it over. How interesting all of this becomes. And the proofs keep rolling in. And the American people keep buying the lie.

Now how could you get explosives into the WORLD TRADE CENTER BUILDINGS, which were under high security because of the 1993 attack without INSIDE HELP? And why is the media not reporting this? Then we have the two firemen interviewd by CNN that claimed they had gone into the bottom underground portion and brought out survivors? CNN totally ignored what the fireman said, and has continually maintained there have been no survivors found in the wreckage - none at all. So then what happened to those people? Perhaps there were not to be any survivors that could tell tales. One is forced to wonder. So when you begin to CONNECT THE DOTS, you begin to see a very nasty picture of some very nasty people doing EVIL. Indeed, "evil men wax worse and worse"."

Hey Kent, you ol' coot, How the hell are ya?? You're lookin good on the web site foresure!! Say, want ya to click on my link below - CNN Video site - scroll down to the September 11, 2001 section, and click on the video archive labeled "Watch the second plane flying directly into the World Trade Center (Sept. 11)" - Now, you tell me what you see? I see four F117, or four F15's wings swept back (or could be two with shadows), or ......you tell me - they way the move around tells me they might be something else indeed.

Combine "BLACKSTAR" (Pilotless) and Thiokol's Corps. P.T.S. (illegally downloaded by Wen Ho Lee, at Los Alamos), and You can control ANY AIRCRAFT THAT IS FBW. Remember that OPS "BLACKSTAR" has broadcast dissemination capabilities to 100 Aircraft at one time! SLEUTHS?

EDITOR: Lower portion contrast enhanced. First Chaosman pic came "banded," most likely snapped by external camera to the screen on pause, better digital came later.

Date: 9/14/01 12:35:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time

I've been following your notes throughout the week and feel I have something substantial too add. While going over some of the footage I had taped on a Tivo recorder, a clip caught my attention that hasn't been noticed by anyone. A shot from the top of a building looking south shows both towers burning and still standing. Then in the lower left of the screen, at ground level quite a distance from the base of the towers a completly seperate building collapses in a huge dust cloud. I repeat, this is before the collapse of the towers.

Date: 9/14/01 12:57:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time

Can you send me a series of images? Kent

Date: 9/14/01 11:24:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time

Working on it! I feel a sense of horror every time I see it.

Date: 9/14/01 2:24:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time

Kent, This is the best that I can do at this time. Notice the large dust cloud in the lower left corner. Also notice that the two towers are still standing.

Date: 9/14/01 8:04:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time

WELL DONE. THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT POST TO ENABLE HUMANITY TO GET TO THE TRUTH. THIS IS THE VERY SCENE I SAW WITH MY OWN EYES, THE CLOUD TO THE LEFT ROSE UP TO THE CLOUD FROM THE SECOND TOWER TO BE HIT, THEN THE SECOND TOWER FELL. ONE THING YOUR LOCAL KNOWLEDGE GUYS CAN DO IS IDENTIFY WHICH BUILDING WAS THE SOURCE OF THE BOTTOM CLOUD. IT IS BECAUSE I SO CLEARLY SAW THIS THAT I WROTE TO YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE.

.CORESEARCHER: Kent...we need to get verification of that clip...get it sleuthed...someone else has to have that on tape...we need to get the video...soon

Date: 9/14/01 7:21:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time

http://people.aol.com/people/special/0,11859,174592-3,00.html

In the above link is an eyewitness report from a firefighter. While going to the 24th floor to rescue workers, he indicates on their last trip up a _omb went off and they believe _ombs were set in the building. Listening to the "mass media", I heard this theory discounted as the "experts" attribute the swift collapse to structural integrity being comprised by the intense heat. Not sure what to believe...

Date: 9/14/01 8:14:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time

http://people.aol.com/people/special/0,11859,174592-5,00.html

In Ben Fountain's account, he advises the buildings were evacuated a number of times over the past few weeks and feels they knew something was going on. Again, I don't know this gentleman personally, but to me it leads further credence to the postings on your site.

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Date: 9/16/01 2:15:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time

KENT

THIS MORNINGS SURVIVOR ACCOUNTS WERE HEARTBREAKING AND ASTOUNDING. ONE HAD AN ENGINE COME THROUGH HIS OFFICE WINDOW. WAITED UNTIL THE SECOND PLANE HIT, THEN LEFT FROM THE 79 FLOOR. WHEN HE REACHED 7 FLOOR HIS GROUP HEARD AND FELT A MASSIVE EXPLOSION RISE UP TO THEM. THEY THEN RAN DOWN THE FINAL SEVEN FLOORS OUT THROUGH THE LOBBY AND THEN SAW THE BUILDING COME ON TOP OF THEM TRY OUTRUNNING A FALLING BUILDING FROM THE INSIDE. THEY HEARD AND FELT A BLAST LONG BEFORE THE BUILDING FELL.

SECOND WAS A FIREMAN, ON HIS RETURN TO THE BUILDING HE HEARD AN EXPLOSION, THE MALL OUTSIDE FELL AWAY AND HE WAS TRAPPED INSIDE. WHEN RESCUED, THE BUILDING THEN FELL. AGAIN EXPLOSIONS AND THE GROUND DISINTEGRATING.

HOW MUCH EVIDENCE DOES IT TAKE. FROM THESE TESTIMONIES A VERY CLEAR TIME AND EVENT LINE CAN BE BUILT UP. IF AN ENGINE COMES THROUGH THE WINDOW, THE FLOOR ABOVE TOOK THE BODY OF THE PLANE, ITS FUSELAGE AND FUEL. YET ON THAT FLOOR THEY WERE ABLE TO STAY UNTIL THE NEXT PLANE HIT. ERGO NO BUILDING FAILURE. RIGHT AT A POINT OF IMPACT.

WE NEED THE TRUTH, WE KNOW PLANES WERE HIJACKED BUT THEY WERE NOT THE ONLY INVOLVEMENT. ALL LEADS MUST BE FOLLOWED UP.

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK KENT.

Date: 9/16/01 10:12:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time

KENT

THE DEBKA FILE AND THE PICTURES OF THE TOWERS FALL, RESULTING IN A MUSHROOM CLOUD. WAS A SECRET WEAPON, A TYPE OF SMALL NON RADIO-ACTIVE NUCLEAR DEVICE USED TO BRING DOWN THE TOWERS, PLANES BEING A "DIVERSION". WE MUST FIND THE TRUTH. HAVE YOUR SLEUTHS IDENTIFIED THE SOURCE OF THE LEFT HAND BOTTOM CLOUD.

SURVIVORS DESCRIBE HOW THE MARRIOTT HOTEL FELL DOWN. WAS THIS THE SOURCE OF THE BOMB.

AGAIN WE ARE NOT SEEKING TO EXPOSE STATE SECRETS, DISABLE THE INVESTIGATION, ONLY HIGHLIGHT THE TRUTH AND SEEK CONFIRMATION THAT ALL LEADS ARE BEING FOLLOWED UP ON TO BRING THE PERPETRATORS TO JUSTICE.

Date: 9/16/01 9:24:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time

Hi Kent,

I also saw the video clip of the huge dust cloud to the left of the twin towers prior to the towers coming down. I thought I was going crazy because I had not seen the clip again and had even mentioned it to someone else.

I am going to write a P3N commentary concerning the screen capture you have top/center on you site. Would you permit me to use a small copy of the picture with a link back to you site for a look at the big capture. This picture DEMANDS an explanation!

I knew from the first minute of the WTC event that some people were going to make ridiculous assertions about conspiracies and I was going to distance myself from them. In light of the unexplained explosion video I have no choice but to join the conspiracy crowd.

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9/16/01 3:32:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time

I was sick and stayed at home all day Tuesday, therefore watched everything in utter horror from minutes after the first tower was struck until late in the evening. I watched in REAL TIME people jump from the upper floors to their certain death and both towers crumble into rubble on top of rescuers. I spent a good part of that day weeping, and praying for the dead, survivors and families. I saw it all... And I still see it all. The memories are etched into my mind and continue to overcome me at moments. I find myself unable to control the weeping that still comes... I am not interested in sensationalizing something that cannot be sensationalized any more than the reality that visits me each time I close my eyes. The video shown on your site is clearly dust rising from the rubble of the first building as it collapses, while the second that was struck is still standing and burning, not yet collapsed. You can see the top of the first building to the left as it goes down... But that is bnot what bothers me now.

I have read and heard utter nonsense, including E-mail on this web page ... From my boss, who professes to be a Christian, stand before me and pour out a diatribe about the President and U. S. Congress being the real terrorists to certain TV commentators insist that the President should have flown directly back to Washington D.C. (obviously they never heard of stinger missiles) and professional athletes lament not being able to play a professional football game Sunday as though it's business as usual. I have listened to people infer that the C.I.A. and N.S.A. knew these buildings were going to be attacked on this day... HOGWASH! I have listened to commentators try to create a controversy just to keep the ratings up... By blaming the C.I.A. and N.S.A. for not knowing it would happen. Well... Folks, let me clue you into something... This is not a Mystery Channel movie... This is not a fantasy You need to get your heads out of a dark place and into the light of day. The C.I.A. and N.S.A. may be a lot of things, but do you really believe that the people who work there are robots... Sub human or not human at all? Don't you think that the people who manage our nations security know that such a secret would eventually come out and in the process, their heads would roll... Perhaps literally!

Our Nation is in trouble... We as patriots and citizens are in trouble... Not because of any huge global, government conspiracy but because of our own complacency. We have sat back for 20 years and watched these monsters destroy lives all over this world, many of them innocent United States citizens... Yet we did nothing. We drink our Budweiser and eat Buffalo Wings, and watch some Hollywood hero beat the bad guys in a make believe plot. We have been so desensitized by violence in the movies and on television that the killing of Marines and U.S. Embassy personnel was just another installment. No one cares as long as it didn't effect their paycheck, entertainment or party time.

Instead of looking for a scapegoat in our own back yard or trying to find some narcissistic reason to make yourself feel superior by planting disinformation in the minds of those who don't have a life... Or a clue. Perhaps it is time to get a life and a clue... Perhaps if we are lucky, we can yet save at least a few lives in this world by looking reality directly in the face. The reality is that terrorists have destroyed thousands of lives and families... Innocent people and they must not... Cannot prevail. I (for one) am not interested in a protracted, propagandized litigation in a Federal Court House to determine their guilt or innocence. I don't want them to have the luxury of living in a nice, air conditioned jail cell with a workout room and TV whole their victims corpses rot under a pile of rubble. Where and when they are found, I want them dead... Where and when their bankers are found... I want them dead... Where and when the suppliers of their bases and weapons are found, I want them dead. I am ready to die to see that they are obliterated from this earth and perhaps that is the saddest, most frightening thought of all to me... I fear they have made me and hundreds of thousands like me into their image. The difference is... I will not dance in the street when they die, I will pray for their poor, demented souls as well as my own.

Date: 9/16/01 8:12:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time

KENT

I MUST REPLY. THE CLOUD ROSE STRONG AND CLEAR BEFORE THE TOP STARTED FALLING. YOU CANNOT HAVE RUBBLE FALLING BEFORE A COLLAPSE TAKES PLACE. LOOK AT THE OVERHEAD VIEWS NOW COMING ON LINE.

GOD DOES NOT KILL, MAN DOES

GOD DOES NOT COMMIT EVIL, MAN DOES

WE WANT JUSTICE, WE WANT ALL THE EVIL DOERS BOUGHT TO JUSTICE

WE WANT ALL ERRORS HIGHLIGHTED

RULE ONE YOU DO NOT PROMOTE OR DEFEND FREEDOM BY DENYING THAT FREEDOM. IF YOU DO THAT, EVIL WINS AS YOU EMPOWER IT. EVIL FLEES FROM LIGHT AND TRUTH.

MOST OF THE ' ACTIVE SERVICE UNITS" WHO COMMITTED THIS ATROCITY ARE DEAD. THEIR ALLIES AND BACKERS MUST BE BOUGHT TO JUSTICE.

JUST BECAUSE THIS IS EARLY DAYS WE CANNOT SHRINK FROM OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO SEEK THE TRUTH. THE INVESTIGATORS HAVE CALLED FOR INFORMATION, LEADS, FACTS. WELL MILLIONS OF HUMANS HAVE SEEN THIS, ALL HAVE LEADS, ALL ARE VALID AND MUST BE FOLLOWED UP. TO RUSH TO JUDGEMENT IS TO RUSH TO WAR.

THESE FANATICS CLAIM TO BE WARRIORS OF GOD. WHO APPOINTED THEM, GOD, WE KNOW HE DID NOT. WE MUST ASK ALL HUMANS OF THE ISLAMIC FAITH TO EXCOMMUNICATE THESE EVIL DOERS, THAT THEY CAN NO LONGER CALL FALSELY UPON GOD.

The C.I.A.'s undercover New York station was in the 47-story building at 7 World Trade Center, one of the smaller office towers destroyed in the aftermath of the collapse of the twin towers that morning. All of the agency's employees at the site were safely evacuated soon after the hijacked planes hit the twin towers, the officials said. The intelligence agency's employees were able to watch from their office windows while the twin towers burned just before they evacuated their own building. more

Well you cannot expect standard Commercial Airline Pilots to know about (CLASSIFIED). OPS BLACKSTAR is Highly Compartmented, Secret Fire-Command & Control Platform System that flies out of Holloman AFB NM./FT. Huachuca, AZ (BLACKBAG OPS). Combine BLACKSTAR (Pilotless) and Thiokol's Corps. Portal Transport Systems (illegally downloaded by Wen Ho Lee, at Los Alamos), and You can control ANY AIRCRAFT THAT IS FBW. Remember that OPS BLACKSTAR has broadcast dissemination capabilities to 100 Aircraft at one time (AWACS, ASARS, JSTARS, TENCAP, TROJAN SPIRIT, GUARDRAIL-CS, UAV's, SIGINT, TEAMMATE, TRACKWOLF, REMBASS, HUMINT, CI IMINT, MASINT, TECHINT, JTF, ARF-OR, ACE, JIC, ACT) for an effective INTELLIGENCE BOS. I have personally SEEN, OPS BLACKSTAR in operation.

The extremely skillful maneuvering of the three aircraft at near mach speeds, each unerringly hitting their targets, was superb. As one Air Force officer -- a veteran of over 100 sorties over North Vietnam -- explained, "Those birds (commercial airliners) either had a crack fighter pilot in the left seat, or they were being maneuvered by remote control."

G'evenin', Kent. I just thought you might would like to know. Tonight, on 60 minutes 2, there was a segment where the reporter went aboard one of those AWACS flying around overhead. He asked all the usual BS questions and got all the standard answers. I admit, I was so lulled by it all, I almost missed the big (I think,REALLY BIG) statement the reporter made very near the end of the segment..."The code name form their mission is "Darkstar"... See the connection? The black star program and an AWAC mission code named Dark star?

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