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ALERT: American Airlines, Airbus A_300, Flight 587, headed to Santa Domingo, Caribbean, crashes in densely populated Rockaway area, Queens, NY, at 9:15 AM EST departed out of JFK Airport
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Turbulence? Previous Damage? Pilot Error? NTSB Not Sure Investigation Primarily Focused On Tail Fin And Rudder News the engines did not break away as designed. In an extremely rare malfunction, an engine can separate from the end of its pylon to prevent damaging the aircraft. But both engines on Flight 587 broke off at the wings, a clear sign the plane encountered a force it was never designed to withstand.
Jet Data Point to Rudder Problem in New York Crash The plane gyrated wildly, apparently producing enough force to crack off the top of the pylons that attach the engines to the wings.
ELAINE LUCAS REPORTS Flight 587, Santo Domingo & The Ozama River & Fortress?
American Airlines flight 587 Partial list of passengers and crew of American Airlines flight 587, with citizenship, as provided by American Airlines
CORESEARCHER1:
JFK 767 airline
crash...Flight Path to JFK airplane...buildings on fire ....breaking news
CORESEARCHER1:
American Airlines
767 Jet
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Downed.....
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Helicopter flying
around the scene
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Queens NY
BARDSQUILL:
huh?
BARDSQUILL:
links?
CORESEARCHER1:
An American Airlines
767 Jet just went down on a flight path to JFK Airport...on Today Show
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Rockaway section
of Queens
CORESEARCHER1:
no links yet....just
breaking
BARDSQUILL:
If you have time
feed me reports for historical aspect
CORESEARCHER1:
OK
BARDSQUILL:
coresearcher stuff
CORESEARCHER1:
this is a residential
area where the plane went down...will be civilian deaths...large number
CORESEARCHER1:
unconfirmed reports
just after 9AM occurred...not sure yet if taking off or landing from JFK
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JFK untouched but
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info coming in
slowly
CORESEARCHER1:
Confirmed by NY
Mayors office it was an American Airlines 767 Jet
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Flight they think
was incoming..JFK airport closed
CORESEARCHER1:
here we go
CORESEARCHER1:
only confirmed
reports thus far is that it is a 767 jet AA jet and that JFK is closed and
CORESEARCHER1:
that it crashed
in a residential area
CORESEARCHER1:
Rockaways....3-4
miles from airport....densely populated
BARDSQUILL:
keep em coming,
looking around
CORESEARCHER1:
will be large amt
of civilian deaths
CORESEARCHER1:
Mayors office....no
reports yet
CORESEARCHER1:
very quiet
CORESEARCHER1:
JFK, Newark, and
Laguardia Airports are all closed
CORESEARCHER1:
confirmed
CORESEARCHER1:
the rescue people
are the same people that responded to WTC bombing
CORESEARCHER1:
something it seems
happened suddenly...pilot would have tried to stear away from populated area
CORESEARCHER1:
this crashed in
densely populated area
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White House reporter
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says Bush not making
any comments
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Clear skies here
on the east coast
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perfect flying
weather
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stated from pilot
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billowing smoke
south of the airport
CORESEARCHER1:
normal approach
, clear skies....
CORESEARCHER1:
FAA... airbus..flight
587 headed to Caribbean...
CORESEARCHER1:
Now they're saying
it wasn't a 767
CORESEARCHER1:
Airbus ...hold
on they're changing stories...8300 Airbus still Am
BARDSQUILL:
cool, setting up
web page
CORESEARCHER1:
No prior warnings
CORESEARCHER1:
supposedly flight
on its way to Dominican Republic
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Airbus 300
CORESEARCHER1:
Faa spokesman on
now
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Taking off
CORESEARCHER1:
Airbus taking
off....capacity 180 people
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Crashed right after
take off
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FAA said no emergency
calls were received
CORESEARCHER1:
9:15 is the time
of crash...
CORESEARCHER1:
A300 American Airlines
on its way to Santa Domingo
CORESEARCHER1:
They don't think
its terrorist at this time
CORESEARCHER1:
Take Off time was
9:15 then quickly crashed into densely populated Rockaway area of Queens...4
buildings on fire
BARDSQUILL:
now Pentagon saying
flight 767
CORESEARCHER1:
I'm getting my
reports from Today show....FAA spokeswoman
CORESEARCHER1:
may be old original
report
CORESEARCHER1:
the 3 airports
are closed....AA flight #587....Airbus should have taken off at 8A
BARDSQUILL:
observers saw debris
falling from sky, discussion of strike jests
CORESEARCHER1:
Dominican
Republic...Santo Domingo...all NY subways closed...
CORESEARCHER1:
still unclear if
it was landing or taking off
CORESEARCHER1:
they are treating
it like it is terrorist but saying it is not
CORESEARCHER1:
eyewitnesses said
left side of plane was on fire
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engine fire?
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Airbuses are
automated...fly by wire...all electrical
CORESEARCHER1:
Mayor Julliani
on his way to the scene
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Pentagon...FAA..said
their was a loss of communication shortly after takeoff
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combat airplanes
in the air at the time...these were not notified of difficulty
CORESEARCHER1:
flight to take
off at 8A but didn't until 9:15
CORESEARCHER1:
246 people booked
the flight
CORESEARCHER1:
something wrong
here
CORESEARCHER1:
Airbus only has
180 capacity
CORESEARCHER1:
they are confirming
through Pentagon it has 246 people???
BARDSQUILL:
keep it coming,
good reports, will be confusion at first, but important clues in the batch
CORESEARCHER1:
ok
BARDSQUILL:
Observer: Flames
coming from rear portion of plane, object fell from plane
CORESEARCHER1:
occurred 5 miles
out from the airport...lost communications
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engine found in
different place from the main plane
CORESEARCHER1:
should have been
able to fly with one engine
CORESEARCHER1:
even if other one
fell off
CORESEARCHER1:
NY Bridges closed
CORESEARCHER1:
NY basically shut
down
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this is my
opinion.....must be terrorist....they had no warning....no communication
CORESEARCHER1:
246 passengers
aboard...lots of luggage
CORESEARCHER1:
Andrea
Mitchell...intelligence reporter
CORESEARCHER1:
saw no warnings...they
are treating this ...UN being evacuated
CORESEARCHER1:
now they were meeting
on terrorism today
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this is being treated
as a terrorist incident...cautionary only they say...Yeah right
CORESEARCHER1:
UN being evacuated
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eye witness said
she saw something dropping from plane..then explosion..then spinning then
nose first in a dive
CORESEARCHER1: Rockaways is a working class neighborhood in Queens
CORESEARCHER1: Jamaica Bay....on one side....it is a very thin island...in other words if the pilot could have he would have gone for the water on either side of the island
CORESEARCHER1: 180+ firefighter are there now
CORESEARCHER1: same ones as WTC responders
CORESEARCHER1: engine fell off....then fire ....then nose first..probably stalled
CORESEARCHER1: loss of hydraulic lines
CORESEARCHER1: but they lost communication too not just the engine....very suspect
CORESEARCHER1: if this is an automatic flyer could they not have communicated while they were trying to recover from a lost engine?????
BARDSQUILL: keep em coming will lag behind somewhat here
CORESEARCHER1: the first sign of trouble reported from Pentagon was the loss of communication....
CORESEARCHER1: Fly by wire...should be 3 back ups for hydraulics and communications.....
CORESEARCHER1: this plane stalled and crashed
CORESEARCHER1: Justice reporter...they are reporting it is accident
CORESEARCHER1: no indication of act of terrorism but tunnels, bridges, subways, UN, airports all closed
CORESEARCHER1: Rockaways are difficult to access
CORESEARCHER1: construction on main roadways to Rockaways
CORESEARCHER1: AA #3587 Airbus 300....246 passengers...all confirmed...was on take off
CORESEARCHER1: From NYC it is difficult to get to the crash....all airports shut down beyond the major 3
BARDSQUILL: 3587?
CORESEARCHER1: FAA report 260 passengers now....flight #587
CORESEARCHER1: Airbus 300
CORESEARCHER1: parts spewing off airplane
CORESEARCHER1: this was taking off
CORESEARCHER1: just 5 miles from airport.....just a few minutes in the air
BARDSQUILL: good work
CORESEARCHER1: 25 mile radius no fly zone over this site
CORESEARCHER1: all airports in 25 mile radius closed
CORESEARCHER1: GE engines
CORESEARCHER1: this plane with 9 crew members
CORESEARCHER1: this passenger list getting bigger and bigger
CORESEARCHER1: schools out in this area so many kids at home
CORESEARCHER1: Pentagon Emergency Team already saying it is not a terrorist act....they say no military response is needed CORESEARCHER1: Pentagon not scrambling any additional jets
CORESEARCHER1: Pentagon standing down right now....no connection to terrorist attack?????weird
CORESEARCHER1: FAA 260 passenger list not sure if it includes the 9 crew
CORESEARCHER1: UN evacuated...things are not adding up
CORESEARCHER1: I hate to say this but didn't we say this yesterday
CORESEARCHER1: plane crashed at 927A...burning engine fell from the sky
CORESEARCHER1: eye witnesses said flames coming from left hand side of plane
CORESEARCHER1: eyewitness....one block away from crash...heard a bomb.....people running out of homes.....engine fell on a gas station
CORESEARCHER1: the engine fell only a half block from the plane
CORESEARCHER1: eye witness account
CORESEARCHER1: plane took off 917A then crashed 927A...10 minutes to crash just 5 miles past JFK...not adding up
CORESEARCHER1: should have been very far away if 10 minutes in flight
CORESEARCHER1: eyewitnesses said it was flying low and they heard explosion
CORESEARCHER1: NOT TERRORIST????
CORESEARCHER1: NTSB report....mobilizing their go team
CORESEARCHER1: NTSB will not speculate at this time
CORESEARCHER1: NTSB is open to terrorist act.....
CORESEARCHER1: where is the President
CORESEARCHER1: and VP
CORESEARCHER1: Airbus must have been tightly packed
CORESEARCHER1: eyewitness..13 blocks away..normal takeoff then plane began to disintegrate....plane breaking up
CORESEARCHER1: 2 coast guard cutters and police boats picking up debris from water....plane broke up
CORESEARCHER1: plane fell apart in air...not just engine that fell
CORESEARCHER1: this eyewitness has a couple pieces that fell on his roof
CORESEARCHER1: 4 blocks away
CORESEARCHER1: 15 ambulances carrying people away from crash site
CORESEARCHER1: another eyewitness...triage centers set up at high school and elementary school...FAA now trying to account for all flights...Presidents schedule has been altered...he is in Oval Office
CORESEARCHER1: No official determination from white house
CORESEARCHER1: Many white house staff have been called in from holiday...white house on heightened state of alert
CORESEARCHER1: plane must have blown up...my opinion...FBI now says explosion on plane and now they are involved
CORESEARCHER1: AA now 255 passengers and 9 crew members
CORESEARCHER1: NBC still trying to say it could have been a mechanical explosion...who are they kidding
CORESEARCHER1: Julliani is speaking to reporters.....fire and smoke is very bad.....talked to white house several times...NY on high alert and will reassess in 1-2 hours
CORESEARCHER1: Julliani admits to conflicting reports
CORESEARCHER1: they are picking up pieces from the water....plane had to have broken up...Pres is in situation room with Tom Ridge
CORESEARCHER1: in order to monitor situation
CORESEARCHER1: FBI stating explosion...white house not talking
CORESEARCHER1: All staff has been called back to work
CORESEARCHER1: white house that is
CORESEARCHER1: any word on what the Pentagon is doing
CORESEARCHER1: I am hearing Jets overhead hear in the DC metro area
CORESEARCHER1: oops here
CORESEARCHER1: I sure hope those rescue workers are wearing protective gear for Anthrax and that someone is checking radiation levels in the crash area
CORESEARCHER1: Important.....Dulles and National still open but no flights to NY.....DC on high alert
CORESEARCHER1: eyewitness....tail section of plane fell into the bay
CORESEARCHER1: dead bodies in street
CORESEARCHER1: engine landed on a houses back porch....no one injured in that house...sewers on fire
CORESEARCHER1: plane blew up in the air..this eyewitness confirms
CORESEARCHER1: bodies strewn all over street
CORESEARCHER1: about 200 firefighters on the scene
CORESEARCHER1: Port Authority about 50 members at scene
CORESEARCHER1: 255 passengers ..9 crew members...this seems to be the correct #...
CORESEARCHER1: don't forget today the election report was coming out...Bush didn't win
BARDSQUILL: Heard various reports, got a new link?
CORESEARCHER1: fireman and policeman were injured....they were investigating and responding to auto accident
BARDSQUILL: Fox said Bush won
BARDSQUILL: Fox tainted to the max though
CORESEARCHER1: apparently Gore only called for 4 precincts to be recounted and he would have lost...but if he had called for a statewide recount he would have won the state
CORESEARCHER1: He failed to call for the statewide recount so that is why they are saying Bush won
BARDSQUILL: gottcha, saw that on Drudge
CORESEARCHER1: our attention is being diverted...what is going on in Israel right now
CORESEARCHER1: Palestine?
BARDSQUILL: good thought
BARDSQUILL: Will ask SLEUTHS
CORESEARCHER1: air traffic control states no call for trouble from plane
CORESEARCHER1: cf6 GE engines on this plane
CORESEARCHER1: Apparently Law Enforcement says this flight is notorious for drug running
CORESEARCHER2: lots of people reporting no planes in the skies above their cities, but no supposed closures...
CORESEARCHER2: saw one high flyer...way up there...nothing else...normally can see 3-5 aircraft at any given time...hmmm...will keep an eye on it as the day goes on...
CORESEARCHER2: all first hand reports i have heard are that there was a flash or explosion in the area where the wing meets the fuselage...then down she comes...
CORESEARCHER2: i would speculate on board explosive devise or in cargo...
CORESEARCHER2: kinda doubt that a goose brought this one down...
CORESEARCHER1: VP Cheney is at an undisclosed location
CORESEARCHER1: but not as a result of the plane crashing
CORESEARCHER1: President schedule has been adjusted....
CORESEARCHER1: staff called back in
CORESEARCHER1: UN evacuated
CORESEARCHER1: but not TERRORIST????
CORESEARCHER1: now birds thought to be cause of crash
CORESEARCHER1: what a stretch
CORESEARCHER1: do they think we're stupid
CORESEARCHER1: I'm glad I got my education in the 60's before the dumbing down
CORESEARCHER1: transponder abruptly cut off..isn;t that what happened with the other 4 flights
CORESEARCHER1: on 9/11
BARDSQUILL: not AGAIN! Transponder, radar went down at 9:17, (four mins after takeoff) AWAC grabbed it?
CORESEARCHER2: globalhawk???
CORESEARCHER2: awacs controlled???
BARDSQUILL: MSNBC reports National Guard jets and AWACs were in the air at time of crash
CORESEARCHER1: scaler???
CORESEARCHER1: now they're saying explosion seen on body of plane
BARDSQUILL: FAA already putting down eyewitness reports
CORESEARCHER2: how about the news breaking today that gore would have won florida...???
CORESEARCHER2: heard the gov mouthpieces this morning before this plane went down and this story was being covered...
CORESEARCHER2: heard Ari Fleischer say that the election is over and that there is no news there...
CORESEARCHER2: he said, forget it...it's over...
CORESEARCHER3: Kent, the big thing that is going on regarding the way the media is reporting the vote tally is that they are saying Bush won......but if you dig through the data that is not the case. If you could warn everyone you talk to to make certain that they read the reports carefully. There is a huge amount of spin occurring. Seems like the media is counting on people only reading headlines and the first paragraph and not the rest of the articles.
CORESEARCHER1: this Rockaway neighborhood had lost 100 people in the WTC tragedy...now this
CORESEARCHER4: Just read your chat with coresearcher. I just heard on NBC that the area is "only 2 blocks from the ocean." Means a shot could have been taken from a boat. The scattering of debris sure sounds like it. Eyewitness said it did go down nose first. CBS: Witness was in a diner with his 4-yr-old; didn't hear any explosion, but they emerged from diner at same time and the kid said, "Look, Daddy, an airplane is on fire."
CORESEARCHER1: the plane is not intact as reported by Mayor Julliani
CORESEARCHER1: 4 homes completely destroyed....4 homes damaged.....approximately 12 homes with some damage....30 ambulances waiting....not finding any survivors.....15 people taken earlier for minor casualties
CORESEARCHER1: No mayday call even on the backup communications.....
CORESEARCHER1: The Nando Times: Families of crash victims gather at Dominican Republic airport
CORESEARCHER1: why did they want UN disrupted??
CORESEARCHER1: FBI has 200 agents working on this case and are now talking to the baggage handlers who loaded the plane
CORESEARCHER2: part of a wing in the ocean...says abc...that indicates alot more than engine failure...
CORESEARCHER2: the flight was originally scheduled to take off at 8:00 and was held on the runway...then was released for takeoff and delayed again for 15 more minutes...hmmm...
CORESEARCHER1: Under procedures set up shortly after the Sept. 11 terror attacks, the FAA tightened communication with NORAD to report immediately any anomalies in airplane flights such as shut down transponders or off-course planes. NORAD received no such reports and keeps an Airborne Warning and Control System aerial radar plane active 24 hours a day.
CORESEARCHER1: Pentagon officials familiar with aviation issues said the FAA did have a loss of radio contact with the American Airlines Airbus A300, but that given the very short time the plane was in the air, that loss of contact could have been caused by the crash itself. It will be important to exactly correlate the time of the loss of contact and the crash, officials said.
CORESEARCHER1: The Pentagon remains on Threat Con Charlie, a heightened state of alert that it has been on for weeks.
CORESEARCHER1: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,38581,00.html
CORESEARCHER1: This could have been a case of a bomb in a bag that was undetected and obviously we need to have better X-ray scanners and better work on the bags that go in the top of the plane," Gephardt said. "If we had passed the Senate bill, this bill would have been law by now and we could have started making the changes."
CORESEARCHER1: I have that bad feeling again....something very bad is going to happen
BARDSQUIL: well, a bazillion meteors headed this way
CORESEARCHER1: something manmade....evil is lurking
BARDSQUIL: yea me too
CORESEARCHER1: I'm uncomfortable in my own skin
CORESEARCHER1: that sounded weird I know but I can sense the evil...it is thick...like really sick deals being made...I'm telling you the door is closing soon...we will pass a point of no return
CORESEARCHER1: our country is on the edge of chaos
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Date: 11/12/01 12:25:16 PM Pacific Standard Time
I just wanted to forward this on from NPR. Around 1 pm, two eye witnesses were interviewed on the air. The one witness said she saw an orange circle in the mid-area of the plane, near the wing, that reminded her of the sun and an indicated an explosion took place. She works for the airlines and was able to provide clear details.
The other witness also noted an explosive but placed this same orange circle closer to the back of the plane. I have heard other eye witnesses accounts- one consistent theme- saw what appeared to be an explosion in the mid-section of the airplane as indicated by your coreresearchers' accounts ( where wing meets the fuselage).
While I would like to believe it is mechanical failure, I speculate this could have been a laser beam of some sort (given the orange circle description)- Brookhaven or Montauk?
Numerically, if this was an attack, it doesn't add up, expect for the time of explosion (9:27 9+2+7 = 18 [666]). Two dates I was watching are yesterday (Nov. 11) and this Thurs - Nov. 15 (66th day since 9/11 and the moon will be void of course [new moon used by black magick practitioners/satanists for casting powerful, dark spells]. But whether it is an attack or accident, it puts America back on edge and serves the Illuminists' program of fear and control.
Link of local footage from the crash: http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/news/queens/image1.html
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Meanwhile: Meteor storm heads for Earth
FBI IRRESPONSIBLE IN MAKING EARLY STATEMENT THAT CRASH OF AIRLINER NOT DUE TO TERRORISM
Anthrax blamed on US scientist http://www.sundaytimes.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,7034,3229971%255E401,00.html
Audit Finds INS Mismanaged $31 Million Automation Project
The leader of Hizbullah said Sunday that US President George W. Bush had behaved “arrogantly” at the United Nations while trying to rally international support for his war on terror, warning that any drop in domestic support for the party would lead to a civil war in Lebanon.
Eyewitness - 'It Was Like a Bomb Exploded' WTC And Pentagon Areas May Be Radioactive
Charitable complications $1.4 billion has been raised for the September 11 survivors. But many of the grieving and out-of-work still haven't seen a relief check. What's going on?
Date: 11/12/01 4:56:26 PM Pacific Standard Time
Here's one link about today's flight 587 crash: http://www.farrockaway.com/rockawayplanecrash.html
Local people always seem to have the best details...
An address for the exact area is insanely hard to pin down. I mean, verifiable by USPS's ZIP+4 lookup. One address that's close to the crash site is:
440 BEACH 129th AVE
FAR ROCKAWAY NY 11694
Which translates to these coordinates: 040.578496 Lat. (40:34:42.586N) -073.849920 Long. (73:50:59.712W)
Keep those coordinates handy. A better address might be 400 BEACH 129TH AVE, but I was so frustrated in finding the proper address, that I gave up to save time. These coordinates are insanely close to the proper number. I'll let someone else be picky and get it exact. Using 400 BEACH might be closer to NEWPORT AVE, where it crosses 129TH AVE. See, NEWPORT AVE runs parallel to the islet(?)... the narrow strip of land I mean. Then the numbered streets like 129TH AVE go north and south.
Here's summarized details from umpteen local New York City news websites:
Crash Date: Nov. 12, 2001
Crash Time: 09:17AM EST
Airline: American Airlines
Flight: 587
Plane Type: A300 Airbus
Capacity: 275 passengers possible
Route: from New York to Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic
Departure: 9:14AM EST
Casualties: 246 passengers, 9 crew members
Crash Area: Far Rockaway area of Queens, New York City
Crash Addr: close one is 440 BEACH 129TH ST, FAR ROCKAWAY, NY 11694
Damage: from 129th-133rd Streets, near NEWPORT AVE.
Landmarks: Texaco gas station affected: engine landed there
A religious school was close to plane crash
That's all I have. News came from http://www.wpix.com,
http://www.newsmax.com, http://www.nytimes.com, http://www.nypost.com,
I'll send more when I can. It seems that Brookhaven and Airline Maintenance crews are always both UNTOUCHABLE. "What, us? Oh, no... we had NOTHING to do with that crash... oh NOOOO." Suuuuuure they didn't know anything... Oh and of COURSE the radar loop this morning at Unisys was squeaky clean for the East coast closeup loop, showing nothing. But the national loop at least had SOMETHING green warbling around New Jersey. Of course the bad guys thought of the Radar Loops right off the bat, huh?
Date: 11/12/01 4:56:34 PM Pacific Standard Time
Hi Kent, Today is Sammy Sosa's birthday we are told, he is Chicago's most famous Dominican. They say 90% of the people on the crashed airliner were Dominicans. I wonder if Dominicans are considered as expendable ,here, as newly arrived Russian Jews are in Israel, where they take the largest number of government sponsored terrorism casualties, besides the Palestinians. How high up are Dominican's on the food chain in NY? And then there's crashing the plane in an Irish Catholic neighborhood already ravished from 911. Many NY Fireman live in this neighborhood. Remember them, that a week ago dared to confront lord giulliani about what he is shoving under the rug at wtc? Being treated a bit like the Taleban, aren't they? I mean with the arrests and now one of their neighborhoods being blitzed. How 'bout wtc 'cough', will the people in the hood start hacking from wtc 'cough', that resembles du poisoning and Gulf War Syndrome? These are just rhetorical questions and mere ruminations on my part . It sure stinks like the WTC setup and all these embarrasing bird's(bush problems) being killed with one stone (crash). This ain't kosher, or is it? Did some rabbi bless this one, too? Rhetorical, of course
The crash was in the Bible Code!!!
Date: 11/12/01 5:55:54 PM Pacific Standard Time
For more background on Long Island's Far Rockaway area, as far as Beach Restricted Access goes, and all the juicy stuff, go to http://www.apublicrock.com/ and be careful... the MIDIs play real LOUD!
PLEASE don't miss the tribute page designed for broadband speed: http://www.apublicrock.com/helpamerica.htm
EPA says there's a Far Rockaway plant: http://www.epa.gov/airmarkets/picturethis/ny/2513_sum.htm
US Coast Guard has a Far Rockaway Station: http://www.uscg.mil/hq/g-cp/history/STATIONS/FAR%20ROCKAWAY.html
Radio Frequencies used in Far Rockaway: http://www.cityfreq.com/ny/farrockaway/
TOXIC STUFF near Far Rockaway: http://www.toxicstargeting.com/newsday_real_estate/farrockaway.htm
Local Guides to Far Rockaway: http://www.digital-neighbors.com/city/ny/farrockaway731.htm
http://www.digitalcity.com/newyork/towns/town.adp?city=Far%20Rockaway&state=NY
http://www.mitchnick-kramberg.com/commune.htm
Date: 11/12/01 6:19:56 PM Pacific Standard Time
just saw on local NBC news video footage of tail being lifted out of Jamaica Bay....not just a portion, or just even the top half, but the ENTIRE tail, from the point it meets the fuselage, was pulled out of the water in one piece, minus the rudder..how in the hell could that happen? prepare for mystical magical stories from the FBI/NTSB ala twa800..... abc news also reported the time in flight as 3 MINUTES, not the ten that some were saying earlier.
Date: 11/12/01 6:44:44 PM Pacific Standard Time
Psyopsnews.com did an excellent analysis of the this issue. However, within 3 weeks the site was shut down. In a response to an inquiry by me, they stated in an email that they were now working toward peace and would no longer cover the WTC destruction. Very odd. If you can find an old screen shot of that web site it will help analyze the tower 7 destruction.
Apparently Tower 7 was just purchased 6 weeks prior to 9-11-01 with an unusual clause in the insurance policy that covered it in the event of a terrorist attack. Google: UNITE! Info #153en: People is target; an "inside job" [WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK] The war against terrorism
Queens Crash Eyewitness Accounts Point to Sabotage
Date: 11/12/01 7:38:18 PM Pacific Standard Time
587 5 + 8 = 13 1 = 3 = 4 4 + 7 = 11
APFN: NY Plane Exploded in air-sabotage
Bush, Bin Laden & the BBC The war against terrorism
Date: 11/12/01 11:42:39 PM Pacific Standard Time
Kent: Is it me or does it seem a bit odd that on the day the Media was going to splash the front page with news that GORE may have actually won the 2000 election, we have another NY air disaster-which one witness noted, was being watched at a stones throw distance by a strange helicopter, as it blew apart and dove for the ground...Coincidence? "They" seem a bit *too* certain that this is NOT terrorism....how would they know (Of course maybe they dont want to admit that they cannot protect us, either).
Date: 11/10/01 1:13:08 AM Pacific Standard Time
A downloadable audio recording of Phil Schneider giving a lecture at Global Science, Denver, Colorado, in August of 1995.
In two mp3 audio files:
http://www.apfn.org/audio/philschneider1.rm
http://www.apfn.org/audio/philschneider2.rm
Gaping Holes in the 'CIA vs. bin Laden' Story
Russian Official Reveals Attempt Made to Steal Nuclear Materials
Date: 11/13/01 5:26:22 AM Pacific Standard Time
The URL below takes you to an actual advertisement from the U.S. Army. Do they have anti-gravity?
It looks like the US Army is using an advanced electronic invisibility suit for its soldiers now. There is a picture at: http://www.usarec.army.mil/launchkit/print/ad_5.html
It may have somewhat of an antigravity effect too. They are saying it lets soldiers "walk up a mountainside" and "run through a desert." It is usually hard to do those things with a full field battle pack, especially running through a desert's shifting sand. The recruiting ad reads: SGT Joseph Patterson. Enlisted Liaison Operational Forces Interface Group. AN ARMY OF ONE. In the United States Army.
What you see is a Soldier system that gives me 360º vision in pitch black. Makes me invisible to the naked eye. Lets me walk up a mountainside. And run in a desert. You've never seen anything like me. But don't worry. They haven't either. I AM AN ARMY OF ONE. And you can see my strength.
Looks like back-engineering alien equipment really paid off.
Date: 11/13/01 6:16:04 AM Pacific Standard Time
Way down in the middle of the story you will find the telling paragraphs below... Wonder if the nose of the plane shot upward first — as did Flight 800. Looks more and more to me like it was hit by something. No eyewitness reports of streaks in the sky yet. What made the plane break up? Think this aspect can be buried?
Suitcase bomb is doubtful: I read on one of the message boards (posted by New Yorker who got it from local feed) that luggage had been examined more closely than normal because of a hunt for drug money leaving the country. Most passengers were Dominican.
'Everything Points To An Accident'
<snip snip snip>
Late Monday, salvage crews pulled a large, nearly intact section of the jet's tail from Jamaica Bay, several blocks away from the main crash crater -- strong evidence that the Airbus A-300 began breaking up before the jet hit the ground.
Veteran crash experts say it would likely take a "sizeable" explosion to sever the tail. There is some evidence that one of the plane's engines did explode in flight but investigators are at a loss to explain how that could have damaged the rear of the plane. One source told CBS News, "it's bizarre...it's the last thing I would have expected."
Full story at http://cbsnews.com/now/story/0,1597,317684-412,00.shtml
Date: 11/13/01 6:31:53 AM Pacific Standard Time
Response to: 1111x.htm
11:11 maybe written another way in the form of a
Medicine wheel as so:
1
1 : 1
1
Thus there is a "1" for each human race in each direction. These two dots : in Mayan number would mean 20+1 , the top dot means 20 and the lower dot means 1.
These dots may symbolize the alpha (1) and omega (20) Mayan glyphs. IMIX is glyph 1 and symbolizes birth and glyph 20 is of the SUN is called AHAU.
Thus we may see that these 2 dots or the first and last Mayan glyphs when combined mean "Birth of Sun" and we know that all of our solar system, our planets, our bodies, were born from our SUN.
So in the 11:11 Medicine wheel,
1
1 : 1
1
We have each Human race orbiting or in a Hoop around the Sun place of birth. The ":" means 20+1 thus the whole would be 20+1 + 1+1+1+1 = 25
For those who know "fractals" or "holonomics" then this maybe something you will Enjoy ...11:11 = 11+11 = 22
20+1 + 1 = 22
Notice that each Human race "1" when combined with the ":" (21) will yield the Whole (sum of 11+11) this is a fractal relationship showing that each human race is equal to the whole.
This number 11:11 or 11+11 or 22 when written in the Mayan number system will reveal this message in another simple way, when 22 is written in Mayan it looks like this:
o
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The top dot is 20 the lower 2 dots is a 2 thus 20+2 = 22 If these are converted to a Mayan tone (1) and glyph (IK) then it would be "1-IK" and since the IK mayan glyph is the glyphvof SPIRIT then "1 IK" literally means "ONE SPIRIT"
It was on the day of "1 IK" on August 20, 1994 that the sacred White Buffalo Calf "Miracle" was born in Wisconsin and many more white buffalo calfs have been born (9 so far)
May all the words, I have shared help each of you join a beautiful path as our Human family joins together in the sacred hoop of life. Each of you is also sacred ... treat yourself that way.
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--+-- "Peace be with You"
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I noticed your link to the 11:11 information and I wanted to share my experience with you regarding this phenomena again. I have copied three letters that I previously sent to you, including my first one exactly two years ago. They deal with my 11:11 experience and I hope you will find them of interest.
Date: 11/13/01 6:36:28 AM Pacific Standard Time
I'm STILL shocked and looking for....something..... ANYTHING to understand how we got "here"?
Were Drudge sources innacurrate? http://www.drudgereport.com/mattv.htm
Here's what Bush and Gore say today....http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/11/11/election.reactions/index.html
An Afghanistan Primer: The Good, The Bad, And The VERY Bad
Subj: NYc plane crash
Date: 11/13/01 7:56:38 AM Pacific Standard Time
Its so obvious it was stinger that took it out. Especially, when they showed the hole on the side of the engine. The wing falling off.
Another Flight 800!
Date: 11/13/01 8:42:56 AM Pacific Standard Time
Kent. my observations for what they worth
one engine falls in a boat
second engine falls in a gas station
tail plane falls in the sea
plane body flattens only four houses
ergo not mechanical failure, plane disintegrated in the air.
gas station engine, intact, no fire damage but large 2 foot square hole in left side ripped open from inside. not damage cause by turbine blade. also watch video, fireman kneeling looking. large brown uniform guy reaches into engine, removes something then quickly backs away looking shifty.
your guys can plot locations of parts on street plan, might be interesting. plane at this time would be doing about 240 knots and flaps being retracted. for both engines to fall off and plane to nose dive means wings must have come off. if engines go plane becomes awkward glider, not a vertical falling stone..
again crash comes at a difficult time, meeting at un to talk about afghanistan future, election results check, as well taliban falls apart at the seams. these guys fighting a "jihad" defiant, will fight to death just give up?// If one fights a "jihad" and loses it causes massive damage to the faith.
Queens Crash Eyewitness Accounts Point to Sabotage Former NTSB Official Doubts Accident Caused Flight 587 Crash
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QUAKE
2001/11/13 16:35:52 36.41N 70.79E 205.3 4.7 B HINDU KUSH REGION, AFGHANISTAN
2001/11/14 09:26:10 36.01N 90.50E 10.0 7.9 A QINGHAI-XINJIANG BORDER, CHINA
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Satellites Face Worst Threat Since 1966 With November Meteors
Date: 11/14/01 6:22:27 AM Pacific Standard Time
Salient points about Flight 587
The plane shuddered and rattled, a crew member is heard to suggest a "wake encounter," according to information released today by the National Transportation Safety Board. However....
...according to NTSB board member George Black, the Japan Airlines 747 was flying several miles ahead of Flight 587, well beyond the minimum separation of four miles for planes taking off. This distance is specifically intended to mitigate any ill effect of a wake.
There are no bomb sounds on the voice recorder, nor is there visual evidence -- which is easily detected -- of bomb damage on the wreckage.
{What "rattled" the plane?}
Investigators and the manufacturer of the A300 wide-body airplane, Airbus Industrie of Toulouse, France, remain puzzled that both engines and the airplane's vertical tail fin cracked off for no apparent reason. In particular, several investigators spoke of being baffled that the vertical tail fin may have broken off first. That loss is significant, as such a catastrophic event would have tossed the plane out of control, and might have set in motion severe forces that snapped off both engines. The engines landed a block apart -- one in a gas station and another striking a boat in a neighborhood driveway. The main body of the plane crashed two blocks to the west.
Speculation re engine failure: investigators found no evidence of catastrophic failure in the big General Electric Co. engines, according to NTSB board member George Black.
He also said there was no evidence that the engines had sucked in birds.
The second of the plane's two onboard recorders has been found -- the flight data recorder, which measures airplane movements and control positions.
Black gave cryptic summary of the cockpit voice recorder, which investigators found Monday. Using the cockpit tape as a guide, he said:
The plane takes off to the northwest, flying out over Queens and then banking south over Jamaica Bay. Less than two minutes after takeoff, the sound of a rattling airframe is heard. Seven seconds later, a crew member mentions a "wake encounter."
This presumably referred to turbulence flowing from the wingtips of the plane that took off ahead of Flight 587. These long spinning strings of turbulence can last in the air for several minutes -- but they are almost never enough to bring a plane down.
Japan Airlines 747 was flying several miles ahead of Flight 587, well beyond the minimum separation of four miles for planes taking off. This distance is specifically intended to mitigate any ill effect of a wake.
At 121 seconds after takeoff, a second airframe rattle is heard. Four seconds later, the co-pilot calls for maximum power. Two seconds later, a member of the crew suggests the plane is out of control.
And 15 seconds after that, the recording ends -- presumably when the plane lost electrical power and plowed into Belle Harbor.
A construction worker videotaped the plane's untroubled takeoff, but not the crash.
Above points gleaned from today's Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24784-2001Nov13.html
U.S. SILENCES AL-JAZEERA, DESTROYS KABUL OFFICE WITH MISSILE
Date: 11/14/01 6:41:03 AM Pacific Standard Time
kent,
Here is a possibly interesting item from fox for your sleuths.
Down towards bottom of article...pilot says he is experiencing 'wake' from other airplane..while the former flight was a full twenty seconds further away than the minumum distance allowed!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,38720,00.html
'I Know What I Saw...That Was No Mechanical Problem...No Way!'
Date: 11/14/01 8:40:05 AM Pacific Standard Time
Effrayant Effrayant Enchantments
In one of the most interesting imaginative statements from the Federal Government Department of Health and Human Services, Margaret A. Hamburg, who oversees the smallpox effort had repeatedly stated that the Administration officials were worried that they would not receive the support for this plan in Congress. (i.e new small pox vaccine) Quote:
"A lot of people thought this was a crazy idea, to make a new vaccine when the dis-ease of smallpox didn't even exist anymore"'. ?
Only we now have re-discovered that the dis-ease of smallpox did still indeed exist, in the CDC & P, IN ATLANTA, GEORGIA, U.S.A., and at the INSTITUTE OF RESEARCH IN MOSCOW, RUSSIA, where someone could "STILL LET THE CAT OUT OF THE BAG"........Imagine that.
Words such as eradicated, eliminated, and disappeared for the smallpox virus apparently seem meaningless when two repositories kept samples that could cancel out Mankind's triumph over smallpox which was considered public health's greatest accomplishment, and it probably was except for the holding onto those extra SAMPLES...............E`chantillonner.
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Osama claims he has nukes: If US uses N-arms it will get same response
Date: 11/14/01 9:47:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
Your link about the Remote Viewing of Flight 587 was interesting. I did suspect a maintenance worker horsing around with the plane before takeoff. In any event, in case people are interested in 'infrasound' being used as a weapon, here are some links:
Infrasound is used in underwater minesweeping:
http://www.demo.defence.gov.au/msd/sea1424/sea1424.cfm
Infrasonics Program to monitor different storm types:
http://www.etl.noaa.gov/review/as/bedard/
Scripps infrasonic microphones listening for nuclear blasts:
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/eo-01h.html
More blurbs about infrasonic effects:
http://www.midhnottsol.org/tru/text/017.txt
Military links most people will like:
http://www.usafa.af.mil/jscope/JSCOPE97/Gordon97.htm
http://www.rubbertreeplane.co.uk/bites/us_non_lethal.htm
http://ethics.acusd.edu/Applied/Military/index.asp
http://wstiac.iitri.org/InfoResources/Wstiac_WebSites.html
There are more Tesla-type links like these, but it's clear our military loves this electromagnetic and optical stuff. Out of all the scientific kind of damage that's possible, it seems these "terrorists" sometimes resort to simpler methods of destruction. Flying won't really be safe until every single airport maintenance worker gets the third degree like from a drill sergeant. I can't believe how inept the airline industry is.
Even if infrasonic microphones were installed all along Long Island, it won't help when the real cause is a maintenance worker breaking a part off an airplane.
How long will Americans put up with this stupidity from airlines? Will Americans stand up for anything? I'm just curious what will make most Americans get out and protest. It's like they're all stuck in WHATEVER mode. "Whatever! If I die tomorrow or live... whatever!" It's amazing how their definition of whatever is the WRONG choice or NO choice... oh but NEVER the RIGHT and blessed choice in life. Oh no... they must not have been talking about the positive, loving side of whatever.
We all have to remember that we made our CHOICE on how to live. I choose to help my neighbor with compassion and perseverance. Let me know what links to find next...
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